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Premiere Drive Upgrade Instructions - with all-in-one jmfs Live CD

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by comer, Sep 20, 2010.

  1. May 25, 2011 #941 of 2843
    ThreeSoFar

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    Your original hard drive, sitting on a shelf--that's your backup.
     
  2. May 26, 2011 #942 of 2843
    klug

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    I am new to this upgrade thing but I used Comers disc and followed his instructions but the program did not recognize the new WD 2T disc. Do I have to make the new disk a slave?
     
  3. May 26, 2011 #943 of 2843
    richsadams

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    Welcome to the forum. To answer your question, no...and that solution begs the question, how do you have your original TiVo hard drive and your new 2TB hard drive connected to your computer? Also, what TiVo model are you upgrading?
     
  4. May 26, 2011 #944 of 2843
    klug

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    Sorry a bit short of detail. I have a Premiere XL and am trying to connect with USB to Sata2 using an HP laptop.
     
  5. May 26, 2011 #945 of 2843
    richsadams

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    Ah, okay. Laptop upgrades have only been marginally successful. BIOS issues are often problematic.

    Both drives have to be connected at the same time and most folks use a PC and ideally connect both drives to SATA ports on the motherboard. Failing that option the use of SATA/USB docks or adapters works well also, it just takes much longer to complete the imaging. Here's a good example of a SATA USB dock adapter (two of these would be required; one of each drive):

    http://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-S...3MKW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1306460332&sr=8-1

    It sounds like you're trying to use one of these?

    http://www.apdrives.com/

    If so I don't know if anyone has ever tried using one of those.

    Is there any chance you can get access to a desktop PC to perform the upgrade?
     
  6. May 26, 2011 #946 of 2843
    klug

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    I do have an old PC desktop I could try. You are right I was hoping to use that adapter thing. I looked a long time for info on this but saw nothing about laptop problems. Thanks for taking the time to help me. I will post if successful.
     
  7. May 27, 2011 #947 of 2843
    richsadams

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    Sounds good...keep us posted and happy upgrading!
     
  8. May 28, 2011 #948 of 2843
    klug

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    I did the upgrade successfully on a Dell laptop E4310 using USB adapters. It took about 8 hours but worth the time. My old desktop did not do the job, I think that is more to do with the state of the PC than a failure of the process. Thanks to Comer for doing the spade work.
     
  9. May 28, 2011 #949 of 2843
    richsadams

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    Nice! Congratulations and enjoy!
     
  10. May 30, 2011 #950 of 2843
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  12. May 31, 2011 #952 of 2843
    retiredqwest

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    Ya know, I never even thought about trying that. So, I did a copy only of the TP to the Hitachi 3TB and shur nuff.... that same power loop.


    Looks like the TIVO doesn't like drives > 2TB.
     
  13. May 31, 2011 #953 of 2843
    generaltso

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    I'm guessing that it's the drive controller in the TiVo that just isn't capable of using the drive. I wonder if it has to do with the advanced format.
     
  14. May 31, 2011 #954 of 2843
    unitron

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    Apparently some people have used "advanced format" 2TB drives successfully.

    Some 2TB drives (WD20EARS, WD20EACS, for example) are "advanced format" and some (WD20EADS, for example) are not.

    I suspect it's the "over 2TB" part that's the problem.
     
  15. May 31, 2011 #955 of 2843
    generaltso

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    Yeah, could be as simple as a hard size limitation.

    My 3TB drive came with a SATA drive controller and a note saying that some computers won't recognize the drive and to use the included drive controller if that's the case. That makes me think that there's something unique about 3TB drives that older (or cheap) drive controllers can't handle.
     
  16. May 31, 2011 #956 of 2843
    unitron

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    For computers, it might be the 2TB limit, hardware-wise, or the limit of the partition table we've been using for over a quarter-century now, or the BIOS structure that's been around since then (and before) or a limit of XP/Server 2003 and older OS'es hard coded to expect 512 byte sectors.


    Here's a quite good and informative article about the whole "advanced format" mess.

    http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/ne...-disks-might-not-be-much-fun-for-xp-users.ars
     
  17. May 31, 2011 #957 of 2843
    retiredqwest

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    Since it acts like when one forgets to plug in the drive cable.... the infinite power up loop. That it would be more a controller incompatibility than the OS on the drive.

    No matter what the cause... a 3TB drive does not work in the TP.
     
  18. Jun 4, 2011 #958 of 2843
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    Ok. I'm having issues with my jmfs copy.

    So my hard drive started going a few days ago on my Premiere. Symptoms lasted a few days and i decided to unplug my TiVo (to hopefully minimize the damage) for 2 days while my WD15EARS was being shipped to me. I started jmfs tonight and if started off fast. I have both devices connected via sata to my mobo. It's been running for approx 6 hrs now, and the last 4 or so hrs have been mostly at a crawl. I'm only at the 113 GB mark, and I'm already at 277 errors...and counting! I didn't think it was that bad considering it still works in the TiVo, albeit choppy sometimes. Do bad HDD's usually take this long to copy?

    Any suggestions? If it can't copy, what are my options? I knew this wouldn't be easy!

    Thanks.
     
  19. Jun 4, 2011 #959 of 2843
    dwit

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    Just a somewhat educated guess: If JMFS fails to make a copy, then you can try to see if Winmfs can make a usable truncated backup image of the original drive(no saved recordings). If winmfs cannot make a viable backup image, you may need to obtain a good Premiere image from "somewhere" and use winmfs, or other tools to image a new drive.

    Did you ever try running the builtin Tivo "kickstart" diagnostics on the original drive while it was still in the Premiere?
     
  20. Jun 4, 2011 #960 of 2843
    retiredqwest

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    Those are read errors. And it will take a long as JMFS has to in attempting to copy the source drive.

    I found when I was playing with the 3TB drive that my stock drive was showing errors. So I plugged it back in the TP and it booted up just fine.
    So I pulled it and copied it to another 320G. It hit the errors at the same location as before and it took about 8 hrs to complete. I use a spare computer so I wasn't really paying attention as to how long.

    Plugged that into the TP and it booted up just fine. I let it connect to TIVO and it downloaded the 14.8 update and it went through those motions and it booted back up and everything seems to work.

    Then I took the Seagate 320G with 14.8 and copied it to a 1TB and it copied in the usual 3 hrs with no read errors. And of course that copy booted up in the TP as it should.

    You could try the KS 54 on the stock drive to see what it says. I never did on my stock drive.
     

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