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Premiere Drive Upgrade Instructions - with all-in-one jmfs Live CD

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by comer, Sep 20, 2010.

  1. Oct 2, 2010 #61 of 2843
    kturcotte

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    It's still going to transfer everything over though right? Recordings, Settings, cable card association, Thumbs rating?
     
  2. Oct 2, 2010 #62 of 2843
    richsadams

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    Noted that you already have a drive on the way…but for others, most of the major online retailers are doing a fairly good job shipping drives now. Newegg used to be abysmal, sending drives in clamshells bouncing around in boxes with no packing, etc. I've purchased a number of drives from them…all but two worked, one being DOA and the other had the click of death…but both were Seagate 1.5TB drives and they were very problematic at the time anyway. More recent reports say that Newegg have finally gotten their act together though and are packing them much better. All the drives I've gotten from Amazon, Dell and Buy.com have been well packed and had no problems.

    That's my understanding.

    Happy upgrading!
     
  3. Oct 2, 2010 #63 of 2843
    tgrim1

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    Which Hirens Boot CD version and which program did you use?
     
  4. Oct 2, 2010 #64 of 2843
    hotoru

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    Comer, thanks for the great tool. Worked great to easily clone my 320GB stock tivo drive to the new WD 2TB drive. Least I could do was donate some for your help.

    I posted my step by step how I upgraded my TiVo Internal hard drive to a 2TB western digital (WD20EARS) drive here for any who are interested.
     
  5. Oct 2, 2010 #65 of 2843
    comer

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    Yes, it will copy everything.
     
  6. Oct 2, 2010 #66 of 2843
    richsadams

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    Dell has the 2TB WD20EARS hard drive on sale for $94.99 w/free shipping again.

    http://dell.to/bmW3pA
     
  7. Oct 2, 2010 #67 of 2843
    nukleuz

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  8. Oct 2, 2010 #68 of 2843
    joesebastian

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    Bought 1. Thanks Rich!
     
  9. Oct 3, 2010 #69 of 2843
    chrispitude

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    Happy 2TB Premiere owner here now. Thanks Comer! A small token of my appreciation is coming your way.
     
  10. Oct 3, 2010 #70 of 2843
    nukleuz

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    Yeah me too,coming your way soon
     
  11. Oct 3, 2010 #71 of 2843
    KtotheM

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    Comer,

    Thank you for this upgrade path! My old Series 2 finally died in August and I had been waiting to get a Premiere until there was some way to upgrade it. I ended up getting an XL for the added space.

    What is funny is that I *just* purchased a Samsung LED HD TV last Thursday and turned the HD menus on. The disk usage meter was already pegged out at 100%. I have my Tivo record every episode of Cops (and a wishlist for anything with taser in it :p )and don't delete them until it absolutely has to. lol

    I will be ordering a 2TB drive tonight.

    I do have two questions:

    1. Can you still use the 1TB (or perhaps a larger one) expander? Reading the FAQ, on the older models, it says that "Plug and Play" expantion will not work.

    2. (Anyone can answer) Does the Premiere only have room for 1 disk internally? I've been searching for internal pics and have come up empty handed.

    Thanks again!
     
  12. Oct 3, 2010 #72 of 2843
    richsadams

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    Welcome to the forum. With respect to your questions, I'm not sure on #1 but my guess is no based on TiVo Series3, TiVo HD and HDXL upgrades (expansion issues).

    Here's a photo of the interior of a TiVo Premiere:

    http://i51.tinypic.com/2le77df.jpg

    My WAG on #2 is also no, at least not without incurring HDD and CPU heat issues.

    BTW, our new Sammy Plasma is sah-weet too! :up:

    Happy upgrading and enjoy!
     
  13. Oct 3, 2010 #73 of 2843
    kturcotte

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    I manged to get it to boot into DOS easy enough, but then it wants a floppy drive. I don't have a floppy drive, nor does my motherboard have a floppy drive connector. What do I do now?
     
  14. Oct 3, 2010 #74 of 2843
    KtotheM

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    Rich,

    Thanks for the welcome and reply! I have been a long time lurker. I figured it was time to register. :)

    Thanks for the pic. I scoured Google for a good while looking for one. The physical box looks like it would be easy enough to have multi drives, but it sure doesn't have enough space inside.

    Even if I cannot use the expander, I think 2TB will do for now. I have not set any of my Season Passes to record on the HD channels yet. I think I will just reserve that for shows that I really want to watch in HD. I have tons of movies recorded and set to not delete. I like having something to watch even when there is nothing on TV. I have a buddy that keeps his Tivo clean. I want something to fall back on.

    This Samsung TV is leaps above my poor Sony tube. lol Even SD TV and SD movies have a new "feel" and realism to them. I'm waiting on my points for the TV purchase to post on my Best Buy Rewards and then I will go and get a Blu-Ray player. lol

    I just remembered one other thing I was wondering. I have read on the board not to tuse the Green Western Digital hard disks, and have seen some people that are using the AV Green WD disks. Are these ok to use now, just the AV Green line, or stay away from them at all costs? I run the RE3 and RE4 models in my PCs at home and thought about using them. I don't mind the extra noise as my Tivo is behind glass and silent and the extra reliability would be nice. Although, the lower price of the Green disks is also attractive as well as any power savings.

    Thanks again!

    Kelly
     
  15. Oct 4, 2010 #75 of 2843
    richsadams

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    Hey Kelly, glad to help. TiVo Premier's actually come stock with WD AV/GP "green" drives (the TiVo Premiere: WD320AVVS and the TiVo Premiere XL the WD10EVVS) so when it comes to TiVo there's no reason not to use one. TiVo can't take advantage of anything more than 5400RPM or 8MB of cache, so both the WD GP and AV/GP drive line work fine in TiVo. The WD AV/GP drives are quieter than the standard line (such as the WDxxEARS) however even those are very quiet out of the box. However the Auto Acoustic Management or "AAM" on the GP drives can easily be adjusted to match the AV/GP drive's seek setting (128) using a basic tool called hddscan while you have the drive attached to a computer. Using a higher performance drive is overkill and doesn't net any sort of performance enhancement.

    BR DVD's look awesome on the Sammy too!

    EDIT: I happened across the specs for WD's RE3 and RE4 hard drives and they list the seek acoustics at 34dBA :eek:. By comparison the WD GP's are 24dBA to 27dBA and the AV/GP drives are 23dBA to 25dBA, so unless your TiVo is encased in a sound proof room I'm guessing the noise for the RE drives would be far too loud to handle…and again offer no advantage when it comes to a TiVo application.
     
  16. Oct 4, 2010 #76 of 2843
    comer

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    Plug-n-Play is supported for WD DVR expander only. For generic ESATA tool is coming soon ;)

    It would be extremely difficult to fit another HDD inside. Beside potential heat problems, there are no brackets of any kind that could be used to attach another HDD. The existing one is on the sleds that are mounted on stand-offs going through motherboard.
     
  17. Oct 4, 2010 #77 of 2843
    richsadams

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    Brackets? We don't need to stinking brackets! :) In the old (S1 and S2) days we used to strap a second drive to the first w/zip ties (or worse, duct tape). I still have a "dual drive" S1 in the garageĀ…just can't part with it. (BTW, I used the more sophisticated zip tie method!) Some industrious folks added a second internal hard drive to their Series3's and TiVo HD's as well. However the Premiere boxes are considerably smaller so there's no way that I can see to do that any more. :( (At least until they start making 2TB 2.5" drives or SSD's. :D )
     
  18. Oct 4, 2010 #78 of 2843
    comer

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    My point exactly :) The only space I see that would fit another drive is beside the existing one - and to mount there one would need some kind of support. Plus we forget one important point! There's only one SATA connector on MB anyway :D I suppose one can route a SATA-to-ESATA cable to the outside of the box and connect to ESATA port there though :)
     
  19. Oct 4, 2010 #79 of 2843
    richsadams

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    That was how folks added a second internal drive to the S3's and THD's…not difficult, but again, not really physically practical with the Premiere.
     
  20. Oct 4, 2010 #80 of 2843
    txporter

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    Just started my Tivo Premiere upgrade. I got a WD20EARS from Amazon that had a May 14th (I think), 2010 build date. Setting the seek acoustics to 128 was easy with the HDD-scan utility linked in the Series3 drive upgrade thread. I had a lot of trouble with the wdidle3. I read in the thread that many folks needed to change their BIOS settings from RAID to IDE in order to recognize their drives, so I went ahead and updated that from the get-go. After about an hour of tinkering, I determined that my computer will not boot off of CD when set to IDE??!! I went back into my BIOS and changed the setting back to RAID, just intending to boot back to Windows and try later. I had forgotten to pull the boot disk out and it booted to FreeDOS without issue. It had no issue recognizing the drive. wdidle3 /d just caused the system to hang and then come up with a Fail, Abort, Retry prompt after a couple of minute from which I couldn't exit so I had to reboot again. wdidle3 /s300 worked fine. Hope to make it back this evening to actually use comer's utility to copy my virgin Premiere drive to the 2TB.
     

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