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Premiere Drive Upgrade Instructions - with all-in-one jmfs Live CD

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by comer, Sep 20, 2010.

  1. Feb 27, 2011 #721 of 2843
    JamieP

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    Just an aside: I've found that I get much better performance with dd_rescue and the "-k" switch. I cloned a 2TB recently, and it took < 5 hours and ran at over 120MB/sec.

    From the dd_rescue help:

    I'm using dd_rescue 1.23, but I understand the "splice" option was added starting in 1.15.

    I haven't checked what version of dd_rescue is included in the mfslive or jmfs isos. I'm using a Fedora 14 system.

    --Jamie
     
  2. Feb 27, 2011 #722 of 2843
    richsadams

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    dianebrat

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    Just to add on to previous comments I really only have one word for this thread:
    "Wow!"
    freeking wow, putting a 2TB WD Green drive into my new Premiere XL was one of the easiest upgrades I have ever done, and I've been upgrading my own Tivo's since 2000.
     
  4. Feb 28, 2011 #724 of 2843
    MikeAndrews

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    My Premiere just froze/locked/ rebooted as I was checking the temperature during the Oscars recording (the high of 37C). It went down just long enough to miss the entire people lost this year tribute. :mad:

    I'm glad I had the really (6 year) old S3 to switch to.

    I'm going to replace the 2TB hard drive but I have no faith that will fix it.
     
  5. Feb 28, 2011 #725 of 2843
    richsadams

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    Bummer. It doesn't seem like as many actors died last year compared to years before...they filled with lots of behind the scenes types so you didn't miss a great deal IMHO.

    In any case, it does sound like there's an issue, but can't say if it's the drive or the machine or the signal or...

    Did you try running some of the Kickstarts?

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showpost.php?p=5643823&postcount=2
     
  6. Feb 28, 2011 #726 of 2843
    jbell73

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    Ok, I'm having a nasty speed issue with copying the stock 320GB drive to a 2TB drive. This 2TB was already in my tivo, but the fan failed, and I suspected the HDD, ran some diags, and now the 2TB won't boot (all LED's just flash).

    Now, I'm resolved to going back to a clean 2TB drive from the factory 320GB. My problem is that ddrescue is only running @ 2.2MB/sec .. So this process will take over 2 days to complete. I've done this many times before, and I've never had such slow performance before. Any ideas? This is what I've tried:

    SATA <-> SATA on MB
    SATA <-> USB 2.0 ~ no better
    Tried swapping READ/WRITE drives ~ no change
    Tried using another SATA port for Write Drive ~ no change
    did ddrescue /dev/sdX /dev/null -> 80MB/sec or 122MB/sec on each of the drives (reading is not the problem)

    I have no idea what else to try, and I have tried everything. Is dd_rescue a faster method? Could my WD20EARS be bad (it passes all of the diagnostics tests). I tried changing the settings with HDPARM and nothing made any difference (Acoustic mode to 254).

    Ideas? I'm runnig this again, but it's so painful. After 12 hours of running it was only 25% complete. It should only take 5 hours or so.
     
  7. Feb 28, 2011 #727 of 2843
    MikeAndrews

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    Is the destination drive a Western Digital Green drive? That throughput drop is *exactly* what I've run into with one 2TB WD Green drive in my NAS and I suspect it's a bad drive, maybe failing when the drive gets warm. I can actually see the 2MBpbs write for about a second followed by 2 seconds of ZERO throughput and then the 1 second 2MBbps burst, repeat until Summer.

    #2 you can do the 320GB to 2TB drive copy using the copy step on Comer's JMFS live CD. Mine took about an hour and half.
     
  8. Feb 28, 2011 #728 of 2843
    jbell73

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    Yes, it is a WD Green 2TB drive (WD20EARS).

    I am doing the copy step from the JMFS live CD (320GB -> 2TB), and that is where I'm only seeing a 2.2MB/sec copy speed... It's expected to run for about 2 days to complete.

    It could be a bad drive, but read speeds are phenomenal, so maybe a write-only issue?

    I don't have a spare 2TB drive to test with.
     
  9. Feb 28, 2011 #729 of 2843
    L David Matheny

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    Did you run the WD Data Lifeguard extended diagnostic? Some people think they got bad drives right out of the box, so I ran that on my WD20EVDS. It took about seven hours (and reported no errors).
     
  10. Feb 28, 2011 #730 of 2843
    MikeAndrews

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    THAT'S what mine is! I have two of those in a two drive enclosure. It is on writes where the issue shows.

    Now we need to figure out what this issue is.

    I'll try the WD utility.

    I was thinking I'd have to send it in for a warranty replacement.
     
  11. Feb 28, 2011 #731 of 2843
    bsnelson

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    Another successful Premiere upgrade here; I went with a 2TB drive and from 99% full to only 14% :)

    The worst part was my slow PC with it's SATA add-on card; the average transfer speed was only 16MB/sec, so it took a while. A long while.

    Brad
     
  12. Feb 28, 2011 #732 of 2843
    Fofer

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    Not as long as it took me on my PC laptop using a pair of SATA->USB adapters...
     
  13. Feb 28, 2011 #733 of 2843
    jbell73

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    The odd thing is that the "DRIVE ERASE" test (using the WD DLGuard tools from within windows) seems to write very fast (~ 120Mb/s), and reports no errors, but pauses occasionally for about 1 second. If I run the full "extended test", the random read section takes forever, and it estimates completion in some 6000 minutes or something crazy.

    I tried to simply partition and format the drive in Windows 7, and the "Quick Format" took about 5 minutes, and then disk writes were running at about 5Mb/s after it was ready. I swapped in my 1TB WD system drive, and writes were back up to a more normal 60Mb/s.

    At this point I have determined the drive is defective (there has to be a reason my Tivo was suddenly frozen on live TV and unusable, and constantly rebooting). I've already requested an RMA for the drive, and expect the replacement by the end of the week.

    These things are so cheap now @ amazon for just $79. Crazy cheap enough to just purchase a new one to test with and use in another system.
     
  14. Feb 28, 2011 #734 of 2843
    MikeAndrews

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    I did run Kickstart 5-4 earlier.

    Rich, I may owe you a beer (in the interests of ending the crapping in this thread):
    http://tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=8403921#post8403921
     
  15. Feb 28, 2011 #735 of 2843
    Stuxnet

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    I can verify this, lol... it took me 6 reboots before I finally (out of desperation) figured that it wasn't the amber flicker at the start of the reboot, but one that happens several seconds after the boot initiates... At least I can now hit it on my first try (if I'm not distracted)...

    Relatedly, how do you restart the Premiere after the KS54 runs its course... I ended up pulling the power cord, waiting 30 sec, and powering up...

    I'm going to run the "overnight" in a few hours...
     
  16. Feb 28, 2011 #736 of 2843
    MikeAndrews

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    My dilemma was whether you press (Enter) after the numbers and I'm suspecting that if you do it does a normal boot sequence. I trust that Rich would have put the (Enter) in the instructions if it was supposed to pressed.

    I'll probably do that, too, if and when I get the Amazon VOD download to complete, and I don't open up the Premiere and swap the disk before that.
     
  17. Mar 1, 2011 #737 of 2843
    richsadams

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    No pressing "Enter", just the numbers.
     
  18. Mar 1, 2011 #738 of 2843
    richsadams

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    The SMART (Self-Monitoring, Analysis, and Reporting Technology) is actually a Unix/Linux predictive diagnostic test and if you were in that environment you could exit out of it, but since you can't do that with TiVo a power cycle (pull the plug) is in order. You did the right thing. :)
     
  19. Mar 2, 2011 #739 of 2843
    jbell73

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    I just got my replacement drive, and the new 320GB -> 2TB Copy is running at a much faster 36MB/Sec (versus 2.2MB/sec) :D. At this rate the copy is expected to take 2.5 Hours. Much better than the 48+ Hours I was estimating before with the failed drive.

    Lesson learned - don't try and fight incredibly slow copy speeds (especially when doing a SATA <-> SATA with an on-board controller.) Instead RMA the drive. I'm curious if my original copy would have even been done by now. :):)

    -Jeff
     
  20. Mar 2, 2011 #740 of 2843
    Stuxnet

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    Glad to hear that's working for you... Question... are you upgrading the "virgin" drive you just received, or did you go through setup before copying it to the 2TB.

    I have a somewhat similar situation, except my failed original drive isn't as quite the trouble you had. for the time being, I've chosen not to RMA the existing drive. I posted HERE why.

    I just received a SATA/USB connector I needed to work the upgrade, so I'll be testing my new WD20EARS tomorrow with the WD Data Lifeguard.
     

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