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Premiere Drive Upgrade Instructions - with all-in-one jmfs Live CD

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by comer, Sep 20, 2010.

  1. Feb 23, 2011 #701 of 2843
    peter888chan

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    Aside from having to wait several hours for the drives to copy, it couldn't hurt. Worse case after doing the copy/expand is you find it doesn't work. Then you put the 1TB back in. If you still have the original drive, upgrade from that - you lose the shows though.
     
  2. Feb 23, 2011 #702 of 2843
    MikeAndrews

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    I noted just yesterday that Weaknees is still offering a 2TB+2TB setup for the Premiere.

    I'm not interested.
     
  3. Feb 24, 2011 #703 of 2843
    retiredqwest

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    I don't think they offered that kit when I last looked....... $549, no thanks.
     
  4. Feb 24, 2011 #704 of 2843
    Fofer

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    Does this mean the below is no longer true?

     
  5. Feb 24, 2011 #705 of 2843
    richsadams

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    That's a good question. AFAIK the partition structure hasn't changed. I'm almost certain it's not a plug and pray option...they would have had to have blessed the second drive. However it doesn't say what they are offering outside of "two 2TB drives". I don't know how they'd squeeze a 2nd drive inside so it must be an external.

    So we need a guinea pig...er...volunteer to drop some coin and do a little diagnosis. Did you say you're up for it? ;)
     
  6. Feb 24, 2011 #706 of 2843
    Fofer

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    More info:

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  7. Feb 24, 2011 #707 of 2843
    speed_phreak

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    Doh... but you have to go pretty deep to find that.... here

    This really should be a NOTE: in post #1, to warn people to plan their upgrades more carefully....
     
  8. Feb 24, 2011 #708 of 2843
    richsadams

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    Skipped right over that I guess. Thanks! :up:
     
  9. Feb 25, 2011 #709 of 2843
    wesbc

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    Well to report back on my Hitachi 2TB drive upgrade. Since upgrading the drive, I've had 3 instances where the Tivo would freeze and stop responding to the remote. Front panel amber light wouldn't even light up from button presses. First time it was recording 2 show and I had to unplug the unit. Other two time system rebooted itself one just recently while nothing was recording but I was watching something recorded.

    This is disappointing. I'm not sure if this is drive related, or something else.

    Question, if I need to swap drive, I should be able to use the same instruction here to copy from a 2TB to another 2TB without losing any show right. I would just skip the expand and supersize.
     
  10. Feb 25, 2011 #710 of 2843
    richsadams

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    I had an odd incident tonight with my TiVo Premiere XL (upgraded w/2TB WD20EARS). At almost exactly 5:30 p.m. PST a recording I was watching froze. It didn't pixelate or anything just stopped as if I had hit pause. I hit play, pause, TiVo Central, etc. and saw the amber light on the front panel blink, but no activity. I waited it out a bit and it suddenly started playing again for a moment and then stopped again. About 45 seconds later it started playing again and responded to all commands as if nothing had ever happened.

    I was aware of the time as the NBC Nightly News began recording at the same moment TiVo froze. When I went to play the NBC NN back it started, then macroblocked badly...garbled picture and sound and then started playing normally but the first minute or so of the recording was missing...exactly in sync with the freeze up.

    I've no idea why that happened but I have seen something similar when this particular TiVo was stock. I know a corrupted signal and/or cable card problem can cause I/O error issues (it's even happened on our Series3) which can cause TiVo to crash. So I'm inclined to believe it's not the upgraded drive, but it's worth noting on this forum what we're seeing I think.

    Hopefully it's a fluke and life will continue to be good.
     
  11. Feb 25, 2011 #711 of 2843
    wesbc

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    Rich thanks for the insight. With my instances, when the Tivo froze, no button press of the remote is registered with the Tivo, no amber light blink on front panel. I tried to wait out the first instance but after about 2-3 min, I just unplugged. The other two instance, the Tivo froze, then within a 1min it starts playing for 5-10 sec, then froze again and auto reboot shortly after. Again no remote button press was registered. This is similar to instances on several thread I've read and those user have experienced the issue since last year so at least I know it's not related to any recent software update.

    The Hitachi drive supports SATA3 which is up to 6Gbps. Of course that's backward compatible, but just not sure how Tivo handles it. I know someone else from another forum that is using this same drive for upgrade of their Tivo so hopefully he can shed some light for me.
     
  12. Feb 25, 2011 #712 of 2843
    MikeAndrews

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    Keep trying to test/torture it. I can tell when mine is going to lock up and reboot when I get that non-responsiveness, audio/video pauses and manly slowness in the onscreen menus - with SD menus.

    I had distorted colors and unplugged/reseated the HDMI cable. I haven't had another lock since that and temporarily unplugging the ethernet cable along with taking the WHS off the LAN, but I haven't tried hard to cause one. The loose HDMI cable leads me to believe that it could be yet another HDCP problem. Wanna bet that once again repeatedly processing the HDCP handshake is the major load? :mad:
     
  13. Feb 26, 2011 #713 of 2843
    JPS10

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    Searched this thread and elsewhere and was not able to find answers to these questions:

    1) Is it possible to use jmfs to save an image of the original HDD for future use without copying it to a new drive to be installed in Premiere this time?

    2) If I do open my Premiere and ever have a warranty issue, is there a way Tivo can tell it has been opened if I return it with original drive? I know that this would void warranty but is there a seal of sorts or can Tivo track hardware changes when unit connects to Tivo service?

    Thanks
     
  14. Feb 26, 2011 #714 of 2843
    ThreeSoFar

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    Not really. Series 1 units, maybe S2, had such a physical sticker. They just don't bother anymore. Obv. the non-stock drive would tip them off--but just save the original and pop it back in if you ever need service.

    Caveat: Now, electronically...via the logs they have access to every time your TiVo "calls home", they can see that you have a non-stock drive. They just don't care. If you mention a drive upgrade, they of course have the option of not covering your warranty repair. Just don't mention it.
     
  15. Feb 26, 2011 #715 of 2843
    MikeAndrews

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    Thanks, Rich.

    Wrong thread...but...Guess what happened after I ran Kickstart 57?

    I got "HDMI connection not permitted" audio out, audio on, video on "HDMI connection not permitted." Unplugged the HDMI cable. The audio stays on. Plug it in. Drops. "HDMI connection not permitted" Blip. Wash. Rinse Repeat.

    Rerouted and replaced the HDMI cable. restarted the Premiere twice. Did a reset on the TV. Fought grief like a pet had died for about an hour.

    Finally fixed it by pulling the plug on the TV.

    Can we send a squad of A-10s to the lab that invented HDCP to keep people from using the equipment they paid for to view the content they paid for.

    BTW, on the Kickstart 57, The S.M.A.R.T. test passed. Every other test I ran on that session failed. I'm not in the mood to try another session.
     
  16. Feb 26, 2011 #716 of 2843
    wireless200

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    Just upgraded my second Premiere with a WD20EARS. It went smoothly. Took about an hour or so to copy and it booted up the first time. Excellent!
     
  17. Feb 27, 2011 #717 of 2843
    richsadams

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    Sending Warthogs to the house of whomever came up with HDCP is one of the best ideas I've heard in ages. After that they can visit the inventor of copy protection. :mad:

    Glad to hear things are good again! :up:
     
  18. Feb 27, 2011 #718 of 2843
    wesbc

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    So now it's the forth time my Tivo locked up and rebooted. This is while I was watching a recorded show and something else was recording. I had just paused a show and it wouldn't restart, no remote command was taking and then it rebooted.

    So my question is, can I use the JMFS tool to copy this 2TB drive to another 2TB drive successfully? I shouldn't need to expand / supersize.
     
  19. Feb 27, 2011 #719 of 2843
    ThreeSoFar

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    Probably. As long as the new drive is no smaller--and it's to the byte--the new drive must be at least as big as the one you're copying from. "2TB" drives can differ in exact usable size. Buying the exact model isn't even 100%, but is likely to work.

    But you might consider a kickstart prior to trying a new drive. Search here for it. There's a code you can enter via the remote as TiVo is booting that will force TiVo to switch boot partitions. TiVo comes with two partitions where the OS and TiVo software live. When a new update comes out, it is built in the other partition, which then becomes the boot partition after the upgrade is put in place. This kickstart code forces that same behavior even without an upgrade. (NOTE: I'm not positive these codes still work on Premiere, but I would bet they do.)

    My thought with the kickstart is that if it's data on the drive (part of TiVo's software, not shows) that is corrupted, the new one may have the same problem. This isn't very likely, though.
     
  20. Feb 27, 2011 #720 of 2843
    MikeAndrews

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    MFSCOPY on the JMFS tool or Live MFS or WinMFS for that matter will work, any Linux Live CD will do it with dd.

    Code:
    dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=1024
    
    (In from disk a, out to disk b)

    BUT I'll bet you don't have a bad disk. Mine has done the freeze/reboot dance and I'm thinking the disk is OK. After I restarted to TV to clear HDCP confusion, my Premiere has stayed up but I've still gotten signs of impending failure with drops and slowdowns.

    One suggestion so far has to been to see how solid the operation is when you keep the Ethernet cable unplugged as much as possible - with the SD menus. The HD menus will complain endlessly about no net access.
     

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