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Premiere Drive Upgrade Instructions - with all-in-one jmfs Live CD

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by comer, Sep 20, 2010.

  1. Jan 28, 2011 #581 of 2853
    p_wallace

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    Will this work for an old R20 DTV tivo? Is there a size limit for the HD or will any IDE HD work. I assume the the interface is IDE since this unit is so old SATA wasn't around back then. Also does this work using an external enclosure or do I need to crack open a computer and mount the drive internally.
    THANKS
    Pete
     
  2. Jan 28, 2011 #582 of 2853
    Starflight

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    The default setting for Intellipark is 8s. The restart after the initial boot succeeded with the Intellipark at 8s. Only one restart was attempted.

    However, the Intellipark feature is now disabled using the wdidle3 tool.
     
  3. Jan 28, 2011 #583 of 2853
    richsadams

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    Thanks for the confirmation that you don't have to do tweak the Intellipark settings on the newer drives now.

    Enjoy!
     
  4. Jan 28, 2011 #584 of 2853
    richsadams

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    I don't think anyone has tried but I'd be almost certain that it would not work. The jfms program was designed for the Premiere and Premiere XL series' partition structure. It happens to work (except for Supersize) with TiVo HD/HDXL's, but not with the original Series3. The latter two models have different partition structures. Given that it doesn't work with a Series3 I wouldn't hold out any hope that it would work with any earlier models.

    FWIW I believe your TiVo has a PATA drive, but you'd need to verify that.

    It will work using an external adapter or dock, but again on the TiVo Premiere or Premiere XL.
     
  5. Jan 28, 2011 #585 of 2853
    ripple

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    When I saw "R20 DTV" I thought the OP was asking about the R20 or HR20/HR21 DTV non-TiVo boxen.
    I'm still not sure what the OP was seeking, but:
    - The true R20 is not a TiVo - it's an SD DVR that D* made but which is not a TiVo.
    - The HR10-250 was the last/only high-def D* TiVo...I've got one here, along with 2x SD-DVR40s, all upgraded, that I'm going to give to a good home in a separate thread.
    - There was also an HR20 DVR, but it's also not a TiVo.
    - There's still a plan to have a new MPEG4-capable TiVo box for D*, but it's not available at this time.
    http://support.directv.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/77/~/directv-relationship-with-tivo---new-hd-dvr

    Assuming that the OP was really talking about the R20 or HR20 D* DVR (neither of which is a TiVo), then read on...

    I recently gave up on D* ever usefully providing reliable HD signal strength during inclement weather, and/or another true D*-HDTiVo, and went with 2x Tivo Premieres plus one HDXL. I'm working through the upgrades on the Premieres. I'd have to say that if there are questions about the D* non-TiVo boxes, this isn't the place to ask...PM me if you need pointers but there's a place that rhymes with MealMatabase.com...

    The really short answer: JMFS is the wrong tool for what you need--in fact, you don't need any tool that "speaks" MFS.

    The not-as-short-as-I'd-like-it answer is that if you're trying to upgrade a D* DVR (such as the HR21 that I had to ship back), and you don't care about saving recordings, then all you need to do is plug in a larger drive of a compatible type--the OS-equivalent is in firmware and there's nothing on the drive itself. The bad news is that when last I went through this, there was no method/software to copy recordings from one drive to another *and* take advantage of all the new space. A "DD" image under linux of the old drive onto the new one was recognized and worked with all the recordings preserved, but no expansion. If a new blank drive was inserted and the HR21 booted, it would create the necessary partitions etc. and "marry" the new drive...but there was no way to copy over recordings. Things may have changed, but as I noted above I don't think this is the board you're seeking. Good luck.
     
  6. Jan 28, 2011 #586 of 2853
    ripple

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    Hmm. I'm doing the copy-then-expand-then-supersize on a modern but low-end system that was scheduled to become my new firewall...but the results are interesting. AMD Dual core 45W CPU (2.4GHz IIRC) plus low-end Zotac MB (NewEgg special - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500045) with both old and new drives cabled directly to MB over SATA, and I'm getting about 7800 kBps as reported by JMFS. This is going to take all day...and perhaps this low-wattage system is *not* going to have enough horsepower to be the new whole-house firewall plus part-time media server...

    I almost wonder if there's a way to force the CPU to wake up and go at a higher power level, or where the bottleneck is exactly...

    --ripple
     
  7. Jan 28, 2011 #587 of 2853
    dmk1974

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    Well, my WD20EARS from Amazon arrived a day early today! I think I'm going to give it a shot in my main family room TiVo tonight. The manufacture date on the drive is 10/13/2010.

    Based on what I have read, that means I do not have to do anything to the drive and can just install it per the instructions at the start of this thread, correct? Or is it worthwhile taking the time to do a full scan with the WD software and then run the wdidle3 /S[10000000000] program as well? Thanks!
     
  8. Jan 28, 2011 #588 of 2853
    richsadams

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    I'd try using it w/o adjusting the Intellipark timeout first. It shouldn't need it, but please report back if so. I would however use hddscan to adjust the AAM to 128 to make it as quiet as the OEM TiVo drive.

    I always run Western Digital's Lifeguard Extended scan on new drives for a little peace of mind. IIRC it took something like 60 hours to run on my 2TB WD20EARS though. If you don't have that kind of time or patience you could just run the Quick Scan which takes about five minutes. That will tell you if there any obvious issues with the drive.

    Happy upgrading!
     
  9. Jan 28, 2011 #589 of 2853
    Fofer

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    Do you run hddscan before or after the copy/expand/supersize? Or does it not matter?
     
  10. Jan 28, 2011 #590 of 2853
    richsadams

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    It doesn't matter, it's a firmware change and won't affect the data. I suppose a purist might recommend running it afterward since it does affect the drive's seek speed...but I'm not sure that would really make any difference in the upgrade process.
     
  11. Jan 28, 2011 #591 of 2853
    dmk1974

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    Thanks Rich. I hooked up my new 10/13/2020 WD20EARS drive to my Windows 7 PC and I ran the Quick Scan from the WD Lifeguard Tools (no errors...only took a couple minutes). I then downloaded and ran the hddscan program and set the AAM to 128. Downloaded the jmfs-rev104.iso file and burned it to a CD.

    Powered down the PC, opened up the TiVo and pulled out the 320 GB drive and hooked it up to the PC (all PC connections are internal SATA). Running the upgrade right now! Copying looks like it will take a while (average rate is showing as about 36650 kB/s.

    Will report back later on!

    UPDATE:

    Great success! The copy took about 2h 40min. Then just a couple more minutes for the expand and supersize. Shut down the PC, transplanted the new 2.0 TB drive into the TiVo, put the M-Card back in the slot and then connected it back to my TV. Took the usual 5-6 minutes or so to boot up and now I have up to 317 HD hours! Woohoo! Hopefully it will run perfectly for a few years!

    Now, do I upgrade the other two as well? Hmmmm.....

    Thanks comer and richsadams for your help!
     
  12. Jan 28, 2011 #592 of 2853
    richsadams

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    Sweet! I think most folks are reporting that the copy process takes about three hours or so.
     
  13. Jan 28, 2011 #593 of 2853
    mattack

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    Since 'supersize' doesn't work on Tivo HD (and in fact makes it so that the drive size is the same as the original to Tivo), can you make it so that that feature is PREVENTED if you're trying to use a Tivo HD drive? Other than that, using jmfs was a nice and easy way to upgrade my Tivo HD drive!
     
  14. Jan 28, 2011 #594 of 2853
    richsadams

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    That's a question for The author, Comer.
     
  15. Jan 29, 2011 #595 of 2853
    dmk1974

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    Thanks Rich! Seems to have gone perfectly! I updated post #591 so my experience using the WD20EARS in the TiVo Premier is captured all in one post.
     
  16. Jan 29, 2011 #596 of 2853
    p_wallace

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    I must again apologize for my stupidity. My tivo is an R10. I am somehow getting my DTV DVR model #'s (and I don't think they are correct for them
    either,) mixed up in this discussion instead of the tivo.
    You say that this upgrade probably won't work for this old of a receiver. You are probably correct about the PATA drive. I get confused about as easily about computer abbreviations as I am about my model number! Do you have any ideas about any upgrades for this model that would allow me to increase the recording space or can you point me to a location that might? BTW have you got any ideas as to what is causing my problem with failure to record shows due to lack of space messages? I know that there should be space on the drive if it were functioning correctly or maybe there is something else causing the messages?
    THANKS
    Pete
     
  17. Jan 29, 2011 #597 of 2853
    richsadams

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    Sorry, no experience with an R10. However it looks like you have company...

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=463351
     
  18. Jan 29, 2011 #598 of 2853
    Fofer

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    Thanks for the recommendation; I just ordered one of these for myself. It's first task will be used for this Premiere upgrade. Afterwards, looks like it'll be a helpful tool, for all the random hard drives I've got hanging around and that come into my workspace.
     
  19. Jan 29, 2011 #599 of 2853
    ThreeSoFar

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    Rich,

    Do you know the kBps speeds the jmfs copy gets with these various units?

    Have you ever used the jmfs style (ddrescue) copy from one firewire to another on your Mac booting the jmfs cd?

    In particular, if I get one USB and one Firewire, what would the speed be and which one should be firewire?
     
  20. Jan 29, 2011 #600 of 2853
    richsadams

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    I've always used the motherboard's SATA ports on a PC I keep around for these sorts of things so I've no idea what the transfer rates would be.

    I don't think it would matter which drive is in which dock since it will default to the lowest common denominator, which in this case will be the USB drive...so it would be like doing it with two USB drives I would think. That being said I'd think the transfer rate would probably be around 320Mbps since USB rarely ever hits it's maximum capacity of 480Mbps. I guess if it were me I'd put the OEM TiVo drive in the Firewire dock just so it can be read a little faster but again I doubt that it will make much difference.
     

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