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Premiere Drive Upgrade Instructions - with all-in-one jmfs Live CD

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by comer, Sep 20, 2010.

  1. Jan 26, 2011 #561 of 2843
    richsadams

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    Oh, come on...opening an iMac is a piece of cake! I'm looking at mine right now and...oh, wait. ;)

    Unfortunately eSATA won't work. If it's not a direct SATA port connection on the motherboard the only other option is a PCI SATA card.

    Again, with the December manufacture date...plus the EURS being an A/V dedicated drive my bet is you won't have to worry about the Intellipark setting.
     
  2. Jan 26, 2011 #562 of 2843
    richsadams

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    Those are all fine drives and will work for your TiVo upgrade. At this point I would go with Amazon.com. Their packaging is much better than Newegg's. The drive I just bought from Amazon had double-box packing. The last drive I bought from Newegg was a bare drive in a static-cling envelope floating around with a bunch of packing peanuts. Amazon's return policy is superior as well.

    The WD20EARS is a good choice. At Amazon it's only $79.99 AR:

    http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digit...XK0I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1296081623&sr=8-1

    The WD10EARS is fine as well, but for $10 more you can go from 1TB to 2TB's of recording goodness. Again, I'd buy it from Amazon for the packing and to save $5 over Newegg.com:

    http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digit...1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1296081814&sr=1-1

    The WD15EARS is also good, but again...Amazon. (For only $5 more you can get the 2TB drive.)

    http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digit...1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1296081914&sr=1-1

    My policy has always been to go with as much storage capacity as I can afford.

    Happy upgrading!
     
  3. Jan 26, 2011 #563 of 2843
    ThreeSoFar

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    No argument here, but Rich, you guys on the West coast have it bad when it comes to Newegg. I use them a LOT and it always comes VERY quickly and only once DOA (of over 20 drives). I've NEVER seen just peanuts with a drive delivery from their New Jersey location. It's always been bubble wrap, wrapped around the anti-static envelope, and often double boxed as well.

    Still, it's a bit subpar compared to Amazon, and their (Newegg's) return policy is awful. If a couple bubbles pop along a corner of the corner of the drive, and it finds its way to the edge of the outer box....
     
  4. Jan 26, 2011 #564 of 2843
    richsadams

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    Wait...that kinda sounds like an argument. ;) FWIW I've received DOA drives from both companies, but Amazon makes it a breeze to return anything...newegg, not so much. Sounds like their packing may have improved and that's a good thing.
     
  5. Jan 26, 2011 #565 of 2843
    jonja

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    I am using WD Lifeguard on the WD20EURS right now with extended test. So far so good. Can't use jtms to clone the drive yet since the cable company has yet to pair the cablecards with the premiere. Might come tomorrow if there is no snow. And I probably should let the Premiere actually run with the cablecards for a couple of days before making the upgrade.

    Incidentally, I turned the video input to the Premiere today (still using the Tivo HD as my primary Tivo) and got greeted with a blank screen. The Premiere has been active for just 5 days now (running analog channels). I had to unplug it and reboot the Premiere. Is this normal for the Premieres? I am running HD menus. Am I going to regret getting the Premiere?
     
  6. Jan 26, 2011 #566 of 2843
    zand94

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    The WD20EARS is a good choice. At Amazon it's only $79.99 AR:

    http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digit...XK0I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1296081623&sr=8-1


    I just came home with both of my woot TPs and the drives above I had ordered from amazon. The MFG dates are 9/19/10 and 10/22/10

    From looking through this thread and a few others it looks like my Sept drive may need tweaked but the october drive should not... is that correct?

    Alex
     
  7. Jan 26, 2011 #567 of 2843
    Mahty

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    I'm also currently running the Extended Test of the WD Data Lifeguard Diagnostics for Windows toolset on a brand new WD20EURS before I try the jmfs/WinMFS combo method on a TiVoHD. (WinMFS is needed for the Supersize step on a TiVoHD).

    I'm doing this test on an iMac running Windows XP in the VMware Fusion environment with the connection to the WD20EURS via a USB docking station. This configuration is so inefficient that it will take a currently estimated 55 hours to test the WD20EURS! (Less than 9 hours to go as I type and so far so good!)

    I used this same setup to test a couple of new WD15EVDS drives this past year and those (successful!) Extended Tests lasted 52 hours and 40 hours, respectively. (I'm guessing the second Extended Test might have been faster because I upgraded VMware Fusion at some point in time between the two tests. And/or maybe there were just fewer other processes taxing the iMac CPU at the time.) I think my only real option to speed things up would have been to boot my iMac directly into Windows XP, but I didn't want to be without my Mac OS for what still might have been a potentially extended period.

    Afterthought: Hmm ... out of curiosity, perhaps I'll try the test with a direct-boot-into-Windows at some point. I guess I would only need to start the test and let it run for a few hours in order to get a reasonable ballpark estimate of what the time savings might be (might have been).
     
  8. Jan 26, 2011 #568 of 2843
    jonja

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    Got my iMac running Lifeguard using Bootcamp (Win7). As you might imagine, it's not so bad: 19 hours ;-) But I may use Virtualbox when I create the image using jtms for the Premiere.
     
  9. Jan 26, 2011 #569 of 2843
    lessd

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    For any DOA drive I have ever gotten from Newegg they E-Mailed a free return lable and I sent it back recieving a full refund (I would order another drive at the same time) so other than having to make a phone call I found it as good as Amazons return system.
     
  10. Jan 26, 2011 #570 of 2843
    richsadams

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    There's a good chance you won't have to do anything about the Intellipark settings for either one.
     
  11. Jan 27, 2011 #571 of 2843
    Davelnlr_

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    Just got this in for my Server, and decided to try it out on the Tivo instead:
    Seagate Barracuda LP ST32000542AS 2TB 5900 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Hard Drive...$79.95 at Newegg.

    Took the copy, and shows 317 hrs. Will report back on how well it works.
     
  12. Jan 27, 2011 #572 of 2843
    dmk1974

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    I'm about ready to take the plunge and upgrade my three TiVo Premieres. Of course I'll try this method on one first.

    Just a couple of quick questions:

    1.) I've had all 3 boxes since October 2010 so I think they are ok and all. Comcast cable card in each. If I follow the full drive copy method, I'll keep my shows, season passes, and cable card pairing info, correct?

    2.) I've seen some scary reviews for the WD20EARS on Amazon and Newegg. For TiVo use, is this really the preferred drive to get? I have a 1 TB Caviar Black drive on a shelf at home. Sounds like the Black may be overkill and doesn't gain anything, but I never had any issues with it in my old TiVo HD box. 2TB is highly desired though so if everyone thinks it's ok, it sure is a good deal!

    Thanks!
     
  13. Jan 27, 2011 #573 of 2843
    ThreeSoFar

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    Correct. You'll use "C"opy, which results in a dupe (same size). And then expand, which takes it up to full size.

    Not sure what the reviews said. Nor really the difference between their black and green models. I'm curious to say what Richadams says here, but I know he's been recommending the EARS, and that's enough for me (that's what I got, five of them to max out the $20 per rebate that expired a week ago or so.
     
  14. Jan 27, 2011 #574 of 2843
    dmk1974

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    Thanks for the quick reply. I like both amazon and Newegg, but it looks like Newegg is $10 cheaper since they have a promo code (both sites have the $20 rebate Visa GC as well). In the end, $70 for a 2.0 TB drive is awesome (as long as it works)!

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136514
     
  15. Jan 27, 2011 #575 of 2843
    Starflight

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    Hi Comer, the upgrade was a snap. The $$ is in the Ethernet via paypal.

    Upgraded two Tivo Premieres to 317 HD Hours using Western Digital 2TB WD20EVDS.

    Manufacture date of 10 Nov 2010

    The AAM default was 128.

    The Intellipark feature default was 8 seconds. The Tivo restart does pass with the 8s timeout.

    Use wdidle3 /S[10000000000] (1 and 10 zeros) to disable the Intellipark feature. Saw the /S option on another web site. Passing it along.

    Used the PC's two internal Sata ports. The procedure took about 3hrs. The copy rate averaged about 35MB/s.

    Many thanks to Comer for the upgrade tool and to richsadams for the helpful advice contained in this thread.
     
  16. Jan 27, 2011 #576 of 2843
    richsadams

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    Welcome to the forum and thanks very much for the details! :up:

    To be clear, you did NOT adjust the Intellipark setting on your WD20EVDS and your TiVo still rebooted with a menu restart correct? I wanted to confirm as a couple of others said the same thing (with WD drives manufactured after Sept 15th) although the Intellipark timeout was still set to 8 seconds. The clarification will let others that follow know that they no longer have to mess around with making that adjustment on newer drives. TIA.

    Enjoy all of that new real estate!
     
  17. Jan 27, 2011 #577 of 2843
    richsadams

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    As ThreeSoFar said, yes, everything remains intact as this is a full copy program. Running them for a while to be sure everything was working properly was a wise move. :up:

    WD's Black (or Blue) series of HDD's don't offer any performance enhancements over their GP drives when it comes to TiVo. The GP drives generally run cooler as well.

    It looks like the larger drives get the more issues folks have with them. Makes sense for the reasons one can imagine I guess. I haven't looked in the past week or so but the reviews I've read give most of the WD line about equal ratings (as good as or better than other manufacturers). If there were one or another line that was having problems it would be pretty apparent pretty quickly...especially here...there's no holding back on the TCF! ;) I'm about to drop a WD20EARS into my Premiere XL myself. Quite a few others here are using the same drive as well...so far w/o reporting any problems. Only time will tell with these sorts of things, but my bet is that it's a perfectly good option.

    Happy upgrading!
     
  18. Jan 27, 2011 #578 of 2843
    tome_9499

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    Hi,

    I'm using (2) sata to USB converters to image my premiere 320 GB drive on to a seagate barracuda 2TB drive. How long is it going to take? seems like days!

    Thanks ,

    Tom
     
  19. Jan 27, 2011 #579 of 2843
    ThreeSoFar

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    I'm curious, what's the throughput being shown by the copy command?

    On my old Dell (it's either a Pentium III or IV, I forget which), with an internal PCI SATA adapter that can fit both drives, I get about 21000kBps.
     
  20. Jan 27, 2011 #580 of 2843
    Davelnlr_

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    I was getting 37000 on my 3Ghz AMD dual core.

    Update on the Seagate Barracuda LP ST32000542AS. It is still working great. With the original drive (WD 320GB?) I was unable to use the HDGUI, it would take foreever between screens, and give me circles. I turned the HDGUI back on to make sure everything was working ok after upgrading the drive last night, and it is MUCH snappier now. No green circles or delays. Seems a lot faster. This is a 5900rpm drive. What speed is the original drive, and why would this one be faster?
     

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