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Premiere Drive Upgrade Instructions - with all-in-one jmfs Live CD

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by comer, Sep 20, 2010.

  1. Jan 24, 2011 #541 of 2843
    jonja

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    I've upgraded the hard drive in my Tivo HD to 1TB over a year ago but decided to go with the 1TB WD Expander for the $60 Woot Premiere I bought last week (Newegg had the Expander for $80).

    As a very technical person myself, I am starting to suffer buyer's regret wishing I had just picked up a WD20EURS and gone right to 2TB for $30 more. I have had lots of problems with my Tivo HD in the past -- all resolved now -- and have gotten a little squirrely about breaking the warranty on a Refurb, though I do find the arguments you can just put the original HD back in pretty convincing or I'd never had done it for the Tivo HD. And as I see it, for $80, I get 1.32 gigs and a lot less hassle. On the other hand, I like having a single point of failure and lower power usage and I don't really mind the hassle that much!...

    Alas the DVR Expander has already shipped (I was going to cancel it). So here is my question. I know with the 1TB upgraded Tivo HD, that you can't add the My DVR Expander later for more capacity (unlike the XL). Is this still true for an already upgraded Premiere? I didn't see this in the FAQ. If I upgrade my Premiere to 2TB, can I add the DVR Expander for 3TB?? I hate paying for return shipping, and if I can always go to 3TB later, I may keep it.
     
  2. Jan 24, 2011 #542 of 2843
    Juano11

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    I've had good luck, for general use, with the WD 2TB EARS drives lately.

    Has anyone had a problem with these in their Premiere using this upgrade process?

    Thanks

    John
     
  3. Jan 24, 2011 #543 of 2843
    retiredqwest

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    NO the DVR expander will not work with the 2TB TP. I personally tried it. It just loops thru the process and never does install it.

    "Series 4 TiVo: TCD746320 (aka TiVo Premiere), TCD748000 (aka TiVo Premiere XL)

    TiVo Premiere come with a 320GB SATA internal hard drive, faster dual processor and HD user interface. TiVo Premiere XL is like TiVo Premiere but come with a 1TB SATA internal hard drive and THX certification.

    Like Series 3, Series 4 TiVos have an eSATA or external port.
    However, you can only add TiVo certified My DVR Expander using Tivo menu aka. plug and play method.

    As of now, Series 4's file system can handle up to 4 TiB of disk space but there seems to be a bug in TiVo software that prevents it from using anything over 2 TiB (about 2.2 TB) reliably. So for now, 2 TiB is the most you can have."

    That is why weaknees, dvrupgrade and dvr_dude on ebay don't sell anything above 2TB.
     
  4. Jan 24, 2011 #544 of 2843
    alyssa

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    Personally, I'd stay *far* away from any MyDVR or MyBook product. There track record sucks.
     
  5. Jan 24, 2011 #545 of 2843
    ThreeSoFar

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    Just booted my MacBook Pro with the jmfs CD, which booted fine. However, it did not recognize any live TiVo drive attached with the Thermaltake drive dock attached that has one blank and one virgin Premiere drive. I thought this should work, has anyone seen this work?

    Going to try again and not plug in the USB until after boot and see if that helps.

    ETA: No that did not help. Next step is to try the same boot disk in the mini, with the dock attached via esata.

    ETA2: And the mini has no esata......grrrr. This aint gonna work is it?
     
  6. Jan 24, 2011 #546 of 2843
    jonja

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    Try booting with VirtualBox. I formatted an ext3 drive once with a Linux Live CD that booted under VB, using a Linux VM. It even supports USB.
     
  7. Jan 24, 2011 #547 of 2843
    Gregor

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    USB Docks with dual drives seem to be problematic. I have 2 usb sata/pata drive docks that worked fine.
     
  8. Jan 24, 2011 #548 of 2843
    ThreeSoFar

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    So the individual (one per USB) ones are working, but these dual ones are iffy?

    I need to return this to amazon if that's the case.
     
  9. Jan 25, 2011 #549 of 2843
    richsadams

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    Dual drive docks won't work. Each drive has to have it's own dock or adapter.
     
  10. Jan 25, 2011 #550 of 2843
    ThreeSoFar

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    OK, so what are the fastest ones?
     
  11. Jan 25, 2011 #551 of 2843
    jonja

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    OK, now I feel shamed. Given that I've done this with my Tivo HD and WinMFS, not sure why I don't just put in a 2TB and be done with it?

    So I got a RMA for the not-yet-arrived WD 1 TB My DVR and I ordered a 2TB WD20EURS for $111 from Buy.com. It sounds like the latest DVR optimized drive based on all of the discussions here. I like the idea of energy sipping in a new Energy Star device.

    My new Premiere is a Woot Refurb and I have to admit I am nervous that something will go wrong and I will need warranty service. With my Tivo HD, I never requested it because it was easier/cheaper to try to fix it myself (after 90 days Tivo makes you pay $150 to fix something UNDER warranty. Only paid $60 for the Tivo Premiere. Should have bought two..) Does keeping the 320gig as a backup really work to ensure you can get warranty service?? I have Lifetime on the Premiere (same on my old Tivo HD 1TB, which I am now trying to sell).
     
  12. Jan 25, 2011 #552 of 2843
    richsadams

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    If you're talking about USB docks or adapters, they're all basically the same. There's a USB 2.0 limit of 480Mbps. In actuality the speeds are usually about two-thitds to half that. When USB 3.0 rolls out things will improve markedly. 3.0 is rated at 4.8Gbps...it'll never hit that in the real world but even half of that will be 10 times better!

    As long as you have a quality product, brand name and all of that you s/b fine. I'm partial to having docks myself. I like being able to swap drives out quickly (both 3.5" and 2.5"). I have a Voyager Q like this. I like it because it also has a Firewire port for my Macs (much faster than USB). It's a bit spendy though. For all-around stuff I also have a Thermaltake BlacX dock like this one. Both work great.

    If it's a once-in-a-while thing a SATA/USB adapter like this one will work perfectly fine too.
     
  13. Jan 25, 2011 #553 of 2843
    richsadams

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    Nothing to be ashamed of...we all have those "d'oh" moments. ;) The WD20EURS should work fine in your TiVo HD. Mind you that although it is a dedicated A/V GP "green" drive, it's power saving is helpful but the only "DVR optimization" you'll get is that the AAM (auto acoustic management) is already set to 128 which is the quietest setting. Due to some things already being built in and others not being applicable, TiVo can't take advantage of the rest of the A/V specific features of the EURS (or EVDS, EVCS, etc.) line. That's not a good or bad thing...just is. Again, you s/b perfectly happy with your new drive.

    FWIW TiVo has a full replacement parts and labor warranty for the first 90 days. After that TiVo's are still under a limited one-year labor warranty. More here:

    http://www.tivo.com/buytivo/dvrlimitedwarranty.html

    Replacements are $49 after 90 days through the first year. After a year TiVo generally offers to exchange a unit (providing they have them) for $149. The part that fails most often (by far) is the hard drive, so you're ahead of the game. FWIW drives don't fail that often either and the one you have has a three-year warranty.

    Yes, absolutely...saving the original hard drive as a back up is a good idea. Not only can you slip it back in if it needs warranty service (of course there's no need to mention the upgrade to the CSR), but it will also get you up and running immediately should your new drive fail. Finally you can always use it to image a new/replacement drive in the future. That's pretty easy with a small 320GB drive, but the 1TB I have sitting on the shelf eats at me a little bit. I'd love to repurpose it...but I know better. :)

    Happy upgrading!
     
  14. Jan 26, 2011 #554 of 2843
    jonja

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    Got the WD20EURS today. Manufacture date of 26 Dec 2010. Can I assume everything is set in terms of that soft boot issue and the noise settings? The drive is just a month old today.
     
  15. Jan 26, 2011 #555 of 2843
    Fofer

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    My new Premiere is setup and now I'm eyeing the HD upgrade procedure. I'll be doing it from the bootable CD linked in the OP, via my Mac.

    I've got a 2TB WD20EARS, manufacture data Oct 16 2010. I'm hoping I won't need to run wdidle3.exe but if I want to adjust the AAM (to 128) can this be done with a SATA-USB adapter? My only Windows machine at the moment is a laptop.

    Lastly - does doing this upgrade preclude me, in the future, from perhaps plugging in a DVR Extender for even more space? Or is that still an available option? Just wondering.
     
  16. Jan 26, 2011 #556 of 2843
    richsadams

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    Hopefully. The only way to know will be to perform the upgrade, install it and see if it boots up. If it does try a menu restart. If it boots up initially and reboots from a menu restart then you're good to go. Based on several other posts it should work without having to adjust the Intellipark timeout.

    Best of luck and let us know how it goes!
     
  17. Jan 26, 2011 #557 of 2843
    richsadams

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    Yes. Only wdidle3.exe requires a direct SATA connection.

    Yes again. The "plug and pray" ability to attach an eSATA drive is lost after any upgrade (although an expansion drive can be manually married/blessed using winMFS or MFSTools in the case of 1TB or smaller upgrades...using winMFS or MFSTools as the upgrade program.) Due to the current partition structure TiVo cannot handle anything more than 2TB's anyway.

    Happy upgrading!
     
  18. Jan 26, 2011 #558 of 2843
    Fofer

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    Thanks for the prompt reply richsadams, I'll post about my upgrade experience when I'm done.
     
  19. Jan 26, 2011 #559 of 2843
    jonja

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    I hope then my WD20EURS works without tweaking then. I do not have direct access to a 3.5" SATA connector (I am not opening up my iMac, and my laptops don't have 3.5" drives).

    Rich, do you know if eSATA will work with wdidle3.exe? I have an eSATA port on my Thinkpad and an enclosure with eSATA on it (though not sure if it can support beyond 1TB. It is a Macally triple play, USB/FW400/eSATA).
     
  20. Jan 26, 2011 #560 of 2843
    runt

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