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Premiere Drive Upgrade Instructions - with all-in-one jmfs Live CD

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by comer, Sep 20, 2010.

  1. Jan 20, 2011 #501 of 2864
    ThreeSoFar

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    Comer: Very nice job on the software. I tested one of my new 2TB drives just by upgrading from a stock HDTiVo drive off the shelf. Now it's upgrading the first TiVo Premiere drive (before I even booted it).

    One question (for anyone): Will it be able to copy/mfsadd from a 1TB HDTiVo and use the full 2TB drive? The 1TB was upgraded via the mfsLive CD.

    Some simple improvement ideas if there's ever a new version.
    • When [C]opying, give a start time, and stop time (keep both visible when it finishes), or at least a net transfer time after it's done.
    • Why not turn on an extra terminal or two at a root prompt? (Alt-F2, Alt-F3)
    • Show the current time on the menu, or maybe all the time.
     
  2. Jan 20, 2011 #502 of 2864
    ThreeSoFar

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    What's a good Linux tool (one either on Comer's jmfs image or on most bootable CD distros) to test a new hard drive to confirm it's healthy? Long/overnight is fine....
     
  3. Jan 21, 2011 #503 of 2864
    richsadams

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    IIRC a couple of other folks have done exactly that. As long as you're continuing to expand there shouldn't be a problem. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, or let me know if it doesn't work.

    If it's a WD drive:

    Western Digital's Lifeguard (Write Zeroes)
     
  4. Jan 21, 2011 #504 of 2864
    ThreeSoFar

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    No Linux Version of Lifeguard, that I see. I was hoping for something that just came with Comer's jmfs boot CD.
     
  5. Jan 21, 2011 #505 of 2864
    richsadams

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    Ah, for Linux, sorry. Outside of the SMART program, I'm not sure.
     
  6. Jan 21, 2011 #506 of 2864
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    Thanks for the great program and super instruction. My tivo Premieres now have
    317 HD hours.
     
  7. Jan 21, 2011 #507 of 2864
    Kingsam88

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    so i didn't read this entire thread but i got the gist of it and i dont exactly want to break open my tivo i want to use that esata port on the back with a mimicked image of one of those my book av things i dont know if its it possible or anything just thought i would ask
     
  8. Jan 21, 2011 #508 of 2864
    ThreeSoFar

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    Please, buy a capital letter or two, and maybe a comma. Seriously: Your note is nearly unreadable, if you expect help, make yourself clear enough that people don't just click "ignore" and move on.

    Short answer: DON'T use eSata. Crack it open and upgrade, you'll be happy with how easy it is, and happier still when it doesn't die on you on a month/year losing all your recordings.

    ETA: Oh, and welcome to the forum. Hope you stick around. (but only if I can understand your next post.)
     
  9. Jan 21, 2011 #509 of 2864
    richsadams

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    Welcome to the forum. I'm not sure what you mean by "mimicked image" but you can connect the approved Western Digitial My Book AV DVR Expander for additional storage.

    http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digit.../ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1295645730&sr.com=8-1

    More here:

    https://www3.tivo.com/store/accessories-networking.do#A00097

    If you have anything else in mind it would mean opening your TiVo and pulling the hard drive.

    Hope that helps!

    EDIT: I see ThreeSoFar beat me to the answer...and agreed, upgrading the internal drive is the way to go...one less fail point.
     
  10. Jan 21, 2011 #510 of 2864
    ThreeSoFar

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    Not often that happens, Rich. I've been on a TiVo tear this weekend tho.

    Got my three Premiere's yesterday....upgraded the first to 2TB before even booting it up. Just now tried the soft boot and it WORKED (I had thought I may need wdidle3, but it worked fine). The 2TB WD20EARS was dated Sep2010.

    My TivoHD upgrade (from 1TB to 2TB, copying all shows with jmfs) is 60% done. Been going probably four or five hours. I'm still using the PCI SATA card inside the Pentium IV (or is it PIII?) for upgrades. The USB SATA docking port that's supposed to work with the Mac Mini still hasn't arrived.
     
  11. Jan 21, 2011 #511 of 2864
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    For the mildly adventurous, and yet budget constrained, Staples on Sun/Mon 1/23-24 has the 2 TB WD External My Book Essential on sale down to 99.99 from 179.99. There is a $20 Staples Easy Rebate (ie online submission) and the kicker is that one is able to buy a $25 off $75 coupon from ebay or ejunkies type site for a couple of bucks, so one can realistically get a 2 TB drive for under $60 (depending on the tax where you live) after using the coupon and the rebate.

    The drive is on the front page as a Sunday/Monday special. If you are searching online, the Staples Item Number is 819933 and it is yet to be determined if this is just an in-store deal or not.

    The relevant thing to the tivo is that lo and behold, the drive in the enclosure is the WD 20EARS which has been recommended as a good upgrade drive to expand and supersize by comerizing in the current thread. And while there does not appear to be a great how to open the WD Essential enclosure available by a google search, for the adventurous and somewhat patient, it is not a difficult endeavor. From the spine end of the drive, both top and bottom, slowly pry with a narrow flat head screwdriver, the slim plastic case back away from the plug in side of the drive enclosure. By twisting and sliding, slowly inching the case back, you will move the drive further and further towards seperation. There are clips inside the plastic enclosure case which keep the drive steady, but as more of the drive is moved, you can wiggle the drive out of the clips and after a short while the drive and its housing are free of the stubborn enclosure. Remarkably, from there, you unsnap a couple of plastic clips/holders and the only thing preventing you from having a bare 2TB drive are a pair of screws attaching the guts of the power (SATA, USB, Power led) to the drive. Undo those screws and you have a drive that you can use as your target drive for the Comer expansion and Supersize.

    If you have read this far, there are a couple of software/firmware upgrades that WD suggests for the My Book Essentials that you should probably do, certainly before the Comer procedure (wdc.com/wdproducts/updates/?family=wdsmartwareutilities is the firmware update and then make sure you do part 2 of that to disable the Virtual CD Manager for Windows). They are pretty straightforward so that when you run your WD diagnostics, you should end up with a clean drive with darn near the full 2 TB available for the Comer treatment.

    And not at a huge expense. Not sure if the drive is eligible also for the WD Rebate also of $20 that seems to be running all month, but if so, that should make even the grumpiest of the Woot refurb buyers happy to be able to cheaply increase the Tivo Premiere's capacity.

    Sorry for the long post. Hope it helps some people, or at least one person.
     
  12. Jan 21, 2011 #512 of 2864
    ThreeSoFar

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    This is looking disappointing, and after about 12 hours of backing up throughout the day that may all be for naught.

    I used jmfs to upgrade my 1TB HDTiVo drive (which was upgraded from its stock drive long ago with mfslive cd). After expanding, jmfs reported 287 HD hours, so it looked like it worked.

    But upon booting the newly upgraded 2TB drive, the TiVo reported that it could not detect the EXTERNAL STORAGE. (I've NEVER had external storage.)

    There were two options at that point--Hard reboot or press:thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown:ENTER to permanently remove the external storage and lose recordings. I'd already chosen the latter before I realized the former MAY have had a chance. Anyway, the divorce took a while, and it's in welcome-powering up right now....
     
  13. Jan 21, 2011 #513 of 2864
    retiredqwest

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    You can't use JMFS to copy and expand anything but the stock THD/THDXL drives.

    Unless you want to browse thru this thread for my messages about this, you can read this thread...
    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=462179

    Tivoitis has got it down in one message on using JMFS on a THD.

    I didn't notice your message until you said you were doing the copying.... by then it was too late to say anything.
     
  14. Jan 21, 2011 #514 of 2864
    Kingsam88

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    I'm sorry that i wasn't using i guess correct grammar on a forum.... Just not what I'm used to.

    Anyways, i still would imagine the idea i have is quite if not completely possible. i really don't know why no one has tried it and i don't honestly see how it could be that hard. With the right amount of time and effort that is. As for why do it in the first place, well i already bought the $30 eSATA enclosure and i don't really want that to go to waste.

    I would imagine a way to do it would to re-image the non-verified drive to look and seem like the Western Digital drive or "mimic" it.
     
  15. Jan 22, 2011 #515 of 2864
    ThreeSoFar

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    Thanks for chiming in after the fact though. If I'd done my research here, I'd have found this and saved a day. No big, no harm. I have the stock HD drive for upgrading with, and will do so at some point. But getting the current 1TB drive empty enough with transfers and watching will take some time.
     
  16. Jan 22, 2011 #516 of 2864
    ThreeSoFar

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    I've no experience with using the eSata port. Upgrading the internal drive has always been trivially easy, and when I saw the MANY problems people were having with the eSata port, I've always just recommended against it.

    It's a VERY bad failure case when it goes bad. You lose everything you've recorded, even though it isn't necessarily all on the failed external drive.

    When a single internal drive fails or begins to, the ddrescue mfs tool has a pretty good chance at recovering your shows (not trivial to use, but not brain surgery either).

    PS: Your previous post's grammar wasn't really the problem. It was just that it was a giant runon sentence with no punctuation or capitals or whitespace or anything to break up the various parts of it. I literally had to read it three times before I got what you wanted enough to speak to it. I nearly gave up after two. I touch-type very fast, so the caps and punctuation and such are easy for me to do. Written communication has been critical to my work for quite some time, and it's also something I enjoy doing (reading and writing) quite a bit. I am a bit sad to see it being abused, but believe me--you're not the first. It's a dying skill/art.
     
  17. Jan 22, 2011 #517 of 2864
    richsadams

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    Sweet! Did you happen to notice the exact date in September? I've got a WD20EARS sitting here I'm going to pop into our Premiere XL with a date of Oct 14, 2010 so I think it'll be fine. I'm going to run wdidle3.exe just to check out what the timeout is set for but not make any adjustments so I can see if it has the Intellipark issue. TIA.
     
  18. Jan 22, 2011 #518 of 2864
    richsadams

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    Welcome to the forum. You can currently buy the same drive from Amazon for $99.99 and receive a $20 Visa Cash Card from WD making the total $79.99:

    http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digit...XK0I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1295680112&sr=8-1

    Deals like that are very common now. Only the bare drives are eligible for the current WD rebate. Also be aware that if you remove the hard drive from a WD (or any brand) enclosure it voids the one-year warranty. (The same bare drive has a three-year warranty.) Bottom line, there's really no reason to buy an external drive just to get the hard drive inside. You'll pay about as much or more and end up with a hard drive with no warranty.

    FWIW the jmfs program formats the new drive so none of the software/firmware modifications or updates mentioned (from WD or anywhere else) have any bearing when it comes to using a hard drive in TiVo (or any Linux based application) so no drive "prep" is required prior to performing the upgrade.

    Nice thought though and happy upgrading!
     
  19. Jan 22, 2011 #519 of 2864
    richsadams

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    Well, that's not good news. With winMFS you can use upgraded drives to image new ones as long as you continue to expand (750GB > 1TB for example). Apparently not so with jmfs...that's too bad. :(
     
  20. Jan 22, 2011 #520 of 2864
    richsadams

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    Trust me, if something is possible when it comes to TiVo it's most likely already been tried, but I'm still not clear about what you want to do (or why). If you're suggesting running TiVo by substituting the internal hard drive for one housed in an external enclosure connected via the eSATA port, there are a multitude of roadblocks and reasons that won't work, but I'm not sure that's what you mean.

    If you're concerned about voiding your warranty by opening TiVo and installing a new hard drive you shouldn't be. Although it's true that TiVo knows when an upgrade has been performed (if they were to view their logs), if something goes south and you need warranty assistance all you need to do is slip the original drive back in and return it. If you do have trouble and need to discuss it with a TiVo CSR, there's no need to mention the upgrade. TiVo is fully aware of enthusiasts performing upgrades but tends to turn a blind eye as long as the box is returned intact. IIRC in 10 years or so there have only been two reports of TiVo denying warranty service...and on both occasions the owners felt a need to discuss their upgrades for some reason.

    FWIW the part that most often fails in TiVo (by far) is the hard drive. If you keep your original TiVo hard drive on the shelf and your new/upgraded hard drive fails, you can easily slip the original drive back in and be back up and running in a heartbeat. You can also use the original drive to simply image another new hard drive.

    So as ThreeSoFar has recommended, upgrade the internal drive (use your enclosure for something else or return it) and you'll be fine.
     

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