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Premiere Drive Upgrade Instructions - with all-in-one jmfs Live CD

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by comer, Sep 20, 2010.

  1. Dec 5, 2010 #341 of 2843
    scottb4u

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    At $104, they are a great buy. BUT they need WDIDLE3.

    Super quiet and except for the need to adjust the head parking, they are perfect...
     
  2. Dec 5, 2010 #342 of 2843
    richsadams

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    Nice find. The drive may or may not require the Intellipark feature's timeout to be adjusted. WD drives manufactured after 09/15/10 no longer exhibit the soft reboot (or reboot hang) problem. So if the drives they're shipping were manufactured after that date the only thing they may need is to have the AAM adjusted to 128 for quieter operation (although they're very quiet out of the box).
     
  3. Dec 5, 2010 #343 of 2843
    scottb4u

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    I just bought two, both made in October and firmaware both set to 8 seconds. I disabled both. Neither worked before WDIDLE3.
     
  4. Dec 5, 2010 #344 of 2843
    richsadams

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    That's a new bit of info. I don't know if you have it available without opening your TiVo's, but if so, can you please post the exact model numbers and manufacture dates? TIA.
     
  5. Dec 6, 2010 #345 of 2843
    scottb4u

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    Everything is closed up tight. But I believe the date is either Sept. 17 or Oct. 17.
     
  6. Dec 6, 2010 #346 of 2843
    stanlam

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    I think he is sold out. I couldn't find the listing.
     
  7. Dec 6, 2010 #347 of 2843
    gardavis

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    Thanks, Comer! I did the upgrade yesterday without any major issues. It took 3 hours for the copy using SATA connections and an additional hour to remove and replace the drives and reboot. I used a WD20EARS drive and ran the Feature Tool and WDiddle3 tools.

    I recorded my procedure and uploaded it to YouTube. I also wrote up a webpage with details and links at my DIYClinic site.

    Of course, I made a donation to your beer fund:)

    Gary Davis
    Webguild
     
  8. Dec 6, 2010 #348 of 2843
    richsadams

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    Understood. Do you know the model number?
     
  9. Dec 6, 2010 #349 of 2843
    mellenfan

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    I Upgraded Premiere with 2TB Drive using Comer's method. It downloaded a service update (14.6) - I don't have high def menus...I have the same menus as a TiVo HD. Any ideas?

    Thanks!
     
  10. Dec 6, 2010 #350 of 2843
    lessd

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    To get the HDUI
    1) you may have to turn it on under settings and display
    2) You must have an Internet connection to start the HDUI (phone will not work)
    3) your output must be at least 720P to your HDTV
    4) The TiVo must have activation (without activation no HDUI)
    5) if the above does not get you the HDUI check the SI screen as it will tell you if the HDUI is available for your current setup or not.
     
  11. Dec 7, 2010 #351 of 2843
    tcfcameron

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    I had the same, EXACT, thing happen when I upgraded two Premieres.

    The original drives had never been booted, So, I wasn't sure whether or not it had anything to do with that (or the upgrade, in any context). I just went through the SD menus and found the setting to turn the HDUI on, and that did the trick, on both units.

    I have had some other "weirdness" going on, such as netflix movies not wanting to play, unless I hit instant replay after the buffering period, as well as the "watch now from netflix" option randomly disappearing from places it is supposed to be. As for these problems, I have tried the :thumbsdown:, :up:, play, play HDUI reboot procedure with no luck, rebooting the entire box with no luck, and have had to resort to using KS 52 to get everything back to "normal". I've had to do it twice now (on both units).

    Why would I go straight to a KS 52, as opposed to the other KS options? It's the KS option with the least possibility of turning a TiVo into a brick. I had also done a KS 57, 58, & 52, on each unit after they had finished downloading all the available software updates. I now reserve KS 57 & 58 for last resorts (which I admit, is based on my personal experiences with both stock, and upgraded TiVo HDs).

    KS 52 launches the same processes that happen when TiVo software updates are installed, after being downloaded (minus the download part). It also does some "spring cleaning" of the VAR partition, which doesn't cause you to lose anything (that needs to be there). As long as there is nothing wrong with the drive, and the last update that was downloaded isn't somehow corrupt, it's a very safe option to try.

    Anybody who is reading this and going "huh, what?", just do a little searching around on KS 57 GSOD loop.

    Again, I have no idea if KS 57/58 could "brick" a Premiere. I'd rather just not find out, unless I was out of options.
     
  12. Dec 8, 2010 #352 of 2843
    tommersyip

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    His posting expired on Sunday. I was able to score one for $88 using your method a few minutes before it ended - I guess he needed to move them. Thanks for the info tho, saved me a ton. It's usually like $125 at the stores.
     
  13. Dec 8, 2010 #353 of 2843
    richsadams

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    There isn't any chance of TiVo's diagnostic and repair programs, AKA Kickstarts "bricking" a TiVo. The only risk is that there are enough issues with a drive that fsfix could push it over the edge...but that would have happened at some point anyway. More here:

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showpost.php?p=5643823&postcount=2
     
  14. Dec 9, 2010 #354 of 2843
    tcfcameron

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    I have 4 TiVo HDs that disagree with that. Two had it happen with factory drives, then repeated, after fully testing them and re-imaging them, then the same with replacement drives and fresh images x2. The other two never ran on the factory drives, but bricked on upgrade drives, which were swapped out with drives from another supplier, imaged, and bricked again x2.

    When not using factory/stock drives, the drives in use are the WD20EADS drives. With those drives, I had to use the "Broflovski" image. I can't pin anything on that image, since I can repeat the results with factory drives and factory images.

    On another note, I have always been aware of the post/sticky that you provided, as I share it with others (with an added warning about the possibility of turning a working TiVo, or "mostly working" TiVo, into a brick).

    I'm going to have to move this into a PM, and choose my words carefully on how I know what I know. You and I get our information regarding these diagnostic KS commands from the same source. (hint, hint)

    I have a binding NDA that prohibits me from freely discussing a lot of what I know.

    Hopefully, via PM, we can come to some sort of agreement on whether or not you should update your KS post with a cautionary note at the end. Hopefully I can word things in a way that doesn't violate the terms of my NDA.

    It will take me some time to draft the PM, in a way that shares the most information, without linking the information to things that aren't supposed to be shared. I may also just asked our shared source of information how to best share what I know with you.

    What I'm saying about the KS 57/58 bricking TiVos, isn't something that "should" happen (unless under the circumstances you already described), but it can, and does, happen, outside of that criteria.

    I'd like to spare people the loss of everything on their TiVo, if it can be avoided, by not making KS commands seem so completely benign and safe to play with. I understand that you'll need data, data points, etc., backing this up. I intend to provide that.
     
  15. Dec 9, 2010 #355 of 2843
    richsadams

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    I and hundreds if not thousands have been employing the various Kickstarts diagnostic and/or repair programs on stock and upgraded TiVo's for about a decade now and AFAIK no one's TiVo ever stopped working from simply running the programs...granted that yours may be a first. However if there were problems we'd have known about it long ago.

    If someone is resorting to running a KS there generally has been something wrong with their TiVo prior and in almost all cases it was a hard drive problem which was resolved by replacing the hard drive.

    That said, the two newer, "unorthodox" 2TB upgrade methods (Borflovski and/or Comer's) may have something inherently different/wrong that won't allow the MFS programs to operate normally, can't say for sure.

    The source for my KS commands post and what they do is from a long-time TiVo engineer that generously participates on the TCF from time-to-time. It was reviewed by him about 45 days ago and was updated with a couple of his suggestions. I suppose I could add a line to the KS post to the effect that the programs may be hazardous to 2TB upgrades until we're clear that they are or aren't. I agree that if they are a risk to the 2TB upgrades that fair warning would be appropriate.
     
  16. Dec 11, 2010 #356 of 2843
    Tivoitis

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    I just completed a second upgrade, again with a WD20EURS (mfg date of 11/06/2010), which was factory set to "quiet" mode (code 128) and factory set to a disabled idle timeout. I'm now pretty sure that the first one also came with the idle timeout disabled from the factory.
     
  17. Dec 11, 2010 #357 of 2843
    richsadams

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    Good info. I didn't know the EURS series' default AAM was 128...or that the Intellipark timeout was disabled. Valuable! :up: Thanks for that and enjoy!

    EDIT: Now that I look at the specs it is indeed an A/V dedicated drive. At around $115 that's a very good option for a lot of folks.
     
  18. Dec 11, 2010 #358 of 2843
    SUOrangeman

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    Potentially silly question from a newbie (been rading, but havent' seen the answer):

    Any differences between retail Non-XL and XL drives (aside from capacity)?

    For example, could I upgrade an XL to 2TB and use the original 1TB XL drive in a non-XL? Could I use a 320GB non-XL drive as a starting base for upgrading an XL to 2TB?

    -SUO
     
  19. Dec 11, 2010 #359 of 2843
    lessd

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    Yes the software is different and can't be interchanged, a XL can be upgraded to 2Tb using the original XL hard drive, you than could upgrade the non XL TP using the original 320Gb drive to the 1Tb drive you took from the XL but why do it that way, just upgrade the non XL with the 2Tb drive and you will still have two TiVos one with 317 hours and one with 157 hours + you only have one upgrade to do.
     
  20. Dec 12, 2010 #360 of 2843
    jsidlosky

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    I can't tell if this is designed for the Tivo Premier will allow a base Tivo HD 160gb model to upgrade to ~280-319 hours with a 2TB WD20EDVS drive?

    It appears as though this breaks through the 1.2tb limit on TivoHD, can someone confirm?
     

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