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Premiere Drive Upgrade Instructions - with all-in-one jmfs Live CD

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by comer, Sep 20, 2010.

  1. Nov 22, 2010 #281 of 2843
    tcfcameron

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    WinMFS isn't capable of backing up, and/or restoring, Premiere drives.

    To the best of my knowledge, no such tools exist for the Premiere (yet).

    The only backup option that you have, with the Premiere, is to use Comer's software to make a full backup to another drive of the same size, and then shelve that drive as your "backup".
     
  2. Nov 22, 2010 #282 of 2843
    tcfcameron

    tcfcameron (4) 2TB TiVo HDs

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    The EASY way to set AAM & Idle Timer on WD drives:

    I have accidentally stumbled upon an easy way to get your new WD GP or AV-GP drive(s) set up with your desired AAM & Idle Timer settings, WITHOUT HAVING TO MESS AROUND WITH YOUR BIOS SETTINGS!

    1. Download the IBM/Hitachi Feature Tool v2.12 - It must be the floppy disk version, that includes an installer that creates the bootable disk. IT MUST BE VERSION 2.12.

    2. Download "WDIDLE3.EXE" v1.05 (earlier versions don't work with the newest drives).

    3. After creating the Feature Tool bootable disk, simply copy WDIDLE3.EXE to the same disk.

    4. Forget about changing your BIOS settings (the SATA/IDE mode settings), as it won't be necessary.

    5. With your WD hard drive(s) hooked up, and the floppy disk inserted, power-on your computer. Let the floppy boot up into the Feature Tool software.

    6. Use the Feature Tool software to set your desired AAM setting.

    7. Exit the Feature Tool software, turn on CAPS LOCK, run WDIDLE3.EXE /? from the command prompt to get the list of options. Set your desired timeout (which should be /D for "Disabled" when the drive is going to be used in a TiVo).

    8. Power down, or reboot, depending on what you want to do next. These settings can be changed at ANY TIME, without affecting the data on the drive.

    Why does this work? It's because the Feature Tool software loads the appropriate drivers and sets the communication mode in a way that allows changes to be made to the drive's settings.

    It's very likely that this can be done with a CD/DVD or flash drive. But, I have not verified that yet.
     
  3. Nov 22, 2010 #283 of 2843
    tinkererguy

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    Ah yes, I missed that rather important fact, thank you for setting me straight.
    I have found I have a spare 320GB drive (WD3200KS) to use Comer's software to copy to as a backup.

    As usual, glad I posted here!
     
  4. Nov 22, 2010 #284 of 2843
    tinkererguy

    tinkererguy New Member

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    Ah yes, it had struck me how silly it was to be using 2 different boot media to do these simple tasks, simply hadn't bothered to meld the two together.

    Thank you!
     
  5. Nov 22, 2010 #285 of 2843
    comer

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    For technically inclined and adventurous: :D
    you can make a truncated backup manually. All recordings will be gone, but their names will be stuck in the list - so you must do C&DE after you restore such backup. Here's how to do it:
    The parts where you identify drives/fdisk and such can be taken from JMFS instructions from post #1, Advanced usage. But think twice if you don't know what it is - you will have hard time to succeed.
    1. Run ./mfslayout.sh for your Tivo drive.
    2. Make a note of start blocks of 'MEDIA data' regions in 'Zones Physical' layout part. We will strip those - they take the larges space and contain only video data.
    3. Now the task is to 'dd' or 'ddrescue' everything before, after and between these regions. To give you an example: stock drive has two of those. So there will be 2 parts - one 64 blocks from 0, another from the end of 1st until start of 2nd: size (355788706-343818304=11970402) blocks from 343818304. For JMFS-expanded drives you will have 3 regions, so there will be 3 parts. Compressed on highest setting all together it should take ~800M - will fit on CD :)
    4. Write down the offsets you used and keep together with the backup - use them to restore - just 'dd' those parts on their places on the disk.
     
  6. Nov 22, 2010 #286 of 2843
    richsadams

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    Good stuff. :up: The caveat being that unlike an MFSTools or winMFS truncated backup, having to run a C&DE will wipe out cable card pairing, SP's, WL's, etc. But there will be a servicable image which in an emergency is very good to have.

    Although it's a bit more expensive I like Cameron's idea of creating a full backup hard drive and putting it on the shelf. That way if something happens there's very little down time with simply swapping out the drives...plus you can use it to create a new drive and keep all of your settings.
     
  7. Nov 23, 2010 #287 of 2843
    scottb4u

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    So, when will this method be made "windows compatible"?
     
  8. Nov 23, 2010 #288 of 2843
    MikeAndrews

    MikeAndrews Registered abuser

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    It is "Windows compatible." You just reboot your Windows machine with the CD you were free to burn in Windows.
     
  9. Nov 23, 2010 #289 of 2843
    plazman30

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    Do I really need to use an AV drive? I have 2 TB drives sitting around not being used right now. I don't want to spend money if I don't have to.
     
  10. Nov 23, 2010 #290 of 2843
    comer

    comer New Member

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    Actually, I may have misnamed it. Only recordings need to be cleared. Season passes, cable card and the rest of the settings are not in Media areas, so they would be preserved by such backup.
     
  11. Nov 23, 2010 #291 of 2843
    comer

    comer New Member

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    Though opinions differ, the prevalent is - no, you don't have to use an A/V drive.
     
  12. Nov 23, 2010 #292 of 2843
    tinkererguy

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    Well, first the good news:

    a) copy 320GB original (never booted) Premiere drive
    It took about 5 hours to copy (chosen from jmfs menu) the original 320GB to spare 2007-vintage WD3200KS 320GB drive (22kB/s avg), using jmfs boot CD from internal SATA ports on a desktop. I said "No" to the expansion question at the end, the copy failed to boot in Premiere (said almost done for >10 minutes), powered off for 15 sec, then 2nd try it booted right up

    b) copy 320GB original (never booted) Premiere drive to new 2TB drive
    It took about 4 hours (faster target drive)
    In menu, chose yes to expansion, then ran supersize, uneventful, no errors noted.
    It too failed to boot on the first attempt I believe, but on the 2nd try no problem, great, shows 317 HD hours! I then hooked it up to the TV and internet for 3rd boot, did the guided setup, then let it sit for an hour, it then rebooted with new code level, seems to behave OK, but most channels blank, of course.

    c) m-card install by cable company
    11:00am
    Cox showed about half hour late, but he had m-card, and activated it by phone conversation with his support people, and was done in 30 minutes

    d) Season Passes
    4:00pm, it became clear from tivo.com/spm (Season Pass Manager) that I messed up something when trying to transfer passes from old S3 TiVo (which now has antenna-only connection) to new TiVo (which had unavailable/encrypted cable channels and antenna). So I redid the guided set up, this time it's on latest Software Version. Now things worked nicely, Season Pass Manager online seems to like latest code, makes sense. Was just trying to have something working by the time family got home

    Now, the bad news:
    e) 7:15pm
    Power (Green) TiVo Premiere Green Light ON
    Transfer (Blue) TiVo doing a transfer from TiVo Desktop PC
    Recording (Red) TiVo doing a recording of single show on a single tuner
    We had live TV on, and suddenly, without anybody pressing an bluetooth slider remote keys, Premiere suddenly putting out plain Green screen, with lights on Premiere staying on (as explained below), but unresponsive to IR or bluetooth commands. So unplugged for 10 seconds, not long enough, back to green screen. Unplugged for 20 seconds, this time no picture at all. Unplugged for 5 minutes, this time normal TiVo starting menu for 2 minutes, then black video output, nothing.

    Seems I might be destined to head back to the original Premiere hard drive to see if I can stay up on that drive.

    Anybody have ideas on what I may have done wrong?
    Or something else I can try in jmfs before I resort to going to the original drive?
    Is there any point in waiting 3 hours on a black screen?
    -whereas on green screen, I'm supposed to wait 3 hours I read here:
    http://support.tivo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/511

    Thanks all, and yes, this all takes a lot of time (copies whole drive apparently). And while I don't have a backup of a 320GB original drive with cablecard configured (ran out of hours before cable guy was due to arrive), I may be able to talk Cox support into pairing the new m-card remotely should I wind up on the original drive.
     
  13. Nov 23, 2010 #293 of 2843
    tinkererguy

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    Clarification to previous post:
    The first, sudden green screen was showing identical output of plain green fullscreen to both the HDMI and composite (remote TV) outputs. The other boot, which started first as a normal TiVo boot for 2 minutes roughly, followed by green over HDMI turns out to still be green on HDMI, but it is outputting black on composite.

    I suppose I'll just wait 2 more hours and see what happens (after 3.5 hrs total)...
     
  14. Nov 23, 2010 #294 of 2843
    tinkererguy

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    After 3.5 hrs of solid green screen, I gave up and unplugged (hard to tell if pattern of disk seeks was random or had patterns, as other noise nearby and AMM at 128 keeps things pretty quiet).

    So I did a kickstart 54 SMART test (a lot easier to do than on S3!) and did the
    "Run S.M.A.R.T. tests" option, which after about 5 minutes and a bunch of "Pass" messages, got this error message:

    Confirm /dev/hdb
    Cannot access /dev/hdb
    Drive not present or not responding!


    seconds later, this message came up:
    Read, random locations on /dev/hda
    TEST FAILED


    Should I pull the drive at this point (and again run Western Digital boot CD diagnostics that it passed 2 days ago), and revert to the (already backed up) factory drive? I feel that is unlikely to fail the WD SMART test, as the messages above appear to be complaining out the filesystem, although since this is a Premiere maybe it just acts differently, I dunno, which is why I'm posting here for advice.

    Should I instead try other kickstart options?
     
  15. Nov 23, 2010 #295 of 2843
    tinkererguy

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    Powered off once again (after the SMART tests) and this time, took out Bluetooth dongle and waited 5 minutes.

    Then tada, I powered it back on and it booted just fine (HDMI almost there screen blanked briefly 3-4 times though). It's working now, as if nothing ever happened (and recording and file transfers restarted right away).

    Time to call it a night, that's a relief, now it can index and process Seasons Passes and other housekeeping all night long. But this incident didn't exactly inspire family confidence.

    I fully realize this whole problem may have been a bluetooth thing, or a Premiere 14.6-01-3-746 software thing, and not necessarily a jmfs-rev104 thing. I wouldn't know really, as I haven't run on the stock drive at all, at least I still have 2 320GB drives (original and jmfs created copy) on standby, just in case...
     
  16. Nov 24, 2010 #296 of 2843
    mattack

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    I successfully just made a boot disc with Disk Utility on my MacBook Pro on 10.5.8. I booted into it.. haven't yet hooked up my Tivo drives (my one fear is how is it going to not see the computer's INTERNAL drive and me accidentally obliterate that.. but I am still going to boot into it with the drives connected).
     
  17. Nov 24, 2010 #297 of 2843
    comer

    comer New Member

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    I believe the issue was that it was DVD and not CD :)
    And don't worry about obliterating disks - the only thing that can do that is "copy" (expand and supersize won't even start if a disk does not have a valid Tivo file system on it) and before doing "copy" jmfs asks 2 times if you are sure. :)
     
  18. Nov 24, 2010 #298 of 2843
    rcobourn

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    Tinkerguy, I have had similar problem, and also found removing the slide remote receiver allows for a normal bootup. I can then reinsert it. In fact, I also thought my upgrade had failed, until I disconnected everything and it fired right up.

    The question I have is, does this happen regardless of the upgraded drive, or not.

    It wasn't until after I got the software upgrade that the issue developed (first boot with new software). Either there is an issue with the new software and the slide remote or an issue with slide remote/new software/upgraded hard drive.

    One thing I would recommend for anyone doing an upgrade: get your cablecard installed before the upgrade. That way the pairing won't need to be redone if you revert to the stock hard drive.
     
  19. Nov 24, 2010 #299 of 2843
    tinkererguy

    tinkererguy New Member

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    Fantastic, thank you rcobourn!

    It has stayed up for 12 hours now, I'm tempted to plug bluetooth module back in (it's nice not having to aim the remote) and just watch out for the next code upgrade release date estimate, and see if I can pull the module out before that upgrade (to avoid family being greeted with a green screen the next morning).

    Then again, my machine did spontaneously turn to green screen many hours after boot (with module inserted all the while), so perhaps I'm better off waiting until next software release. Are you saying you are stable for many days or weeks as long as the bluetooth module is not inserted at boot time?

    As usual, it's good to know somebody is in the same boat as you, and I too wonder if bluetooth module acts like this in stock (non-upgraded) Premieres running 14.6-01-3-746
     
  20. Nov 24, 2010 #300 of 2843
    scottb4u

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    I am about to expand my Premiere to 2 tb internal.

    Can this method be used for a 2 tb internal in an S3?
     

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