1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Premiere Drive Upgrade Instructions - with all-in-one jmfs Live CD

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by comer, Sep 20, 2010.

  1. Nov 18, 2010 #261 of 2843
    Ladd Morse

    Ladd Morse Member

    791
    0
    Feb 21, 2002
    I don't think so. If memory serves correctly, about a week after purchase the cable guy did the cable card installation. I then pulled the drive the next day, backed it up to a computer via WinMFS, then copied that backup to a new 1 GB drive, expanded and supersized and put that in the TiVo.

    I'm pretty sure the original 160 GB drive had no exposure to WinMFS other than performing the backup.
     
  2. Nov 18, 2010 #262 of 2843
    retiredqwest

    retiredqwest Member

    164
    0
    Sep 7, 2010
    Something to consider here.....

    I used rev.68 iso for all of my testing and resultant drive that I used in my THD. And the Premiere for that matter. I used rev104 on the Premiere to supersize the 2TB to the 317 hrs HD.

    Don't know if that makes a difference.
     
  3. Nov 18, 2010 #263 of 2843
    Tivoitis

    Tivoitis Member

    50
    0
    Sep 12, 2005
    I had to re-install the original 160GB drive and let it upgrade the software to v11.0j first, then I was able to use JMFS to copy and expand it. When I copied the original and let that update, I wasn't able to expand it. I'm still working with comer to figure out how to supersize it properly.
     
  4. Nov 18, 2010 #264 of 2843
    Ladd Morse

    Ladd Morse Member

    791
    0
    Feb 21, 2002
    Good point to consider. I'm 1/3 done with another JMFS copy from the 160GB to the 2TB. I am going to follow your steps to see if that makes a difference -- first step is putting the un-expanded and un-supersized drive into the TiVo to see if it works.

    If it doesn't, I'll put the original drive back in the TiVo, force an update to the 11j, then re-image again and test. If THAT doesn't work, I'll step back to JMFS version .68 to see if that works.

    I'll be reporting back tomorrow morning, but at 5 hours per re-image, it will take me all day if I have to go through all the steps. Not a problem at my end other than just wanting things to go faster. :)
     
  5. Nov 18, 2010 #265 of 2843
    Tivoitis

    Tivoitis Member

    50
    0
    Sep 12, 2005
    For what it's worth, I'm using JMFS 1.04 for all my processing (and it's off a flash drive boot). Luckily, I've got a newer CPU to use for imaging - it takes about 2hrs to do the copy from the 160GB to the 2TB. I do notice that I have to keep it from falling asleep or it freezes up. Is there anyway to turn off power management?
     
  6. Nov 19, 2010 #266 of 2843
    davidahn

    davidahn New Member

    18
    0
    Jun 6, 2005
    Success! Followed the TiVo + Comer procedure:

    1. TiVo Premiere 320GB service activated
    2. M-Card installed by Verizon FiOS tech
    3. Installed original S4 320GB and Samsung 2TB in bays 2 & 3 of Mac Pro via SATA2
    4. Booted from Comer's JMFS Live CD using option key to select boot volume
    5. Used easy script to clone original 320GB drive (about 3.5 hrs over SATA2)
    6. Expanded, then Supersized drive (super fast!)

    And voílà! We now have a 2 TB, 317 HD hour, lifetime service TiVo Premiere for $398 (TiVo Premiere: $0; 2 TB HD: $99; PLS: $299). Thanks, Comer! You are da man!

    David

    P.S. My greed knows no bounds; I'm still looking forward to adding an external eSATA 2 TB drive. Will keep checking back. :)
     
  7. Nov 19, 2010 #267 of 2843
    tcfcameron

    tcfcameron (4) 2TB TiVo HDs

    249
    0
    Aug 4, 2010
    So, you must have the $0 Promo Premiere + $19.95/month with 2 year commitment plan?

    Are you aware that after 2 years, you'll still have to pay $19.95/month, because the promo units never lose their promo designation?

    I don't mean to rain on your parade, but your cost calculations don't factor in the promo *service* rate, which drives up the TCO considerably.
     
  8. Nov 19, 2010 #268 of 2843
    rcobourn

    rcobourn Registered Snoozer

    735
    1
    Nov 10, 2004
    Phoenix, AZ
    Why would he be paying a promo service rate when he has PLS?
     
  9. Nov 19, 2010 #269 of 2843
    tcfcameron

    tcfcameron (4) 2TB TiVo HDs

    249
    0
    Aug 4, 2010
    It doesn't add up. How do you obtain a "$0" Premiere that is eligible for PLS?

    I'd sure like to know!

    The only $0 Premieres, that I am aware of, are promotional units bought directly from TiVo, which come with the service plan I described.

    Admittedly, I was up too late when I posted my query... Thus, the lack of a sentence or two that would have made it make sense...
     
  10. Nov 19, 2010 #270 of 2843
    lessd

    lessd Active Member

    7,695
    5
    Jan 23, 2005
    CT
    That is a good one, what place has a TiVos for $0 beside TiVo itself, unless he had a $100 Best Buy (or another store) gift certificate.
     
  11. Nov 20, 2010 #271 of 2843
    tinkererguy

    tinkererguy New Member

    70
    0
    May 13, 2002
    CT
    This Monday, I will have a new WD20EVDS 2TB drive and a new TiVo Premiere, already activated and tied to my account (supposedly, as told by tivo.com sales).

    I've worked with Series 3 upgrades in the past, and am familiar with using old school dd copy techniques to keep programs, and cablecard config stays intact.

    This time, I'm getting a m-card visit on Tuesday (Cox still doesn't do self-install), but I'd like to have Premiere ready by Monday night.

    I plan to replace the Premiere drive with the new 2TB drive, using JMFS 1.04 for the copy using boot CD, with 2 sata ports on a PC.

    Am I better off:
    a) copy/expand prior to using the Premiere (removing the Premiere drive before even plugging it in for the first time)
    b) turn on the Premiere first (skipping cablecard set up), then let it finish doing updates (forcing if needed), then remove drive and copy/expand?

    Then on Tuesday I'll configure the m-card with Cox. And when the 2TB dies someday, I'll have the original to copy the original image from again to a new drive, although I will have re-activate the m-card, of course.

    Any thoughts/suggestions appreciated!
    Does somebody have screenshots of how JMFS actually looks doing a copy/expand?
     
  12. Nov 20, 2010 #272 of 2843
    tcfcameron

    tcfcameron (4) 2TB TiVo HDs

    249
    0
    Aug 4, 2010
    I'm actually doing option "A", right now. I'm trying it on two different Premiere units. The first finished all the jmfs procedures just fine (according to the program). But I still have to verify/adjust the AAM & Idle Timer settings before I can fire it up and see what happens. The second unit is still in the copy process.

    I've noticed that you may have to reboot a few times to get the "drive model" listed properly in the drive selection screens (all the drive parameters were correct, but the model was listed as "*unknown*").

    I'm getting about 40MB/sec data transfer rate with SATA. At that speed, it's only taking a few hours per drive. I went with the WD20EADS drives, that I got for $79/each w/free shipping from NewEgg a while back (A big "Thank You" to the person who posted that deal and the required discount code).

    Since disabling AAM and disabling the Idle Timer, with the WD20EADS drives, worked so well with my THDs, I'm probably going to do the same with the Premieres. But, I thought it may also make sense to query the factory drives and see what TiVo has them set to (and perhaps just use those parameters).

    I'll report back when I am all done (or if it turns out that something goes wrong).
     
  13. Nov 20, 2010 #273 of 2843
    tcfcameron

    tcfcameron (4) 2TB TiVo HDs

    249
    0
    Aug 4, 2010
    Everything worked flawlessly. 317 HD hours.

    It could be easy to forget to supersize, as it requires you to back up one menu level after you expand the drive. (Just something to watch for).

    I went with AAM & Idle Timer both disabled (done via boot floppy with Hitachi Feature Tool v2.12 & WDIDLE3 v1.05).

    Thank You, Comer! :up:
     
  14. Nov 20, 2010 #274 of 2843
    comer

    comer New Member

    267
    0
    Aug 7, 2003
    Technically it does no matter - it will work either way. From cable-card setup point of view, I would do it after card is configured, as I understand the procedure to do it takes time, tech visit and otherwise quite involved. This way all the settings will be kept backed up on the original drive.
     
  15. Nov 20, 2010 #275 of 2843
    chrisbac

    chrisbac Master of my domain

    34
    0
    Feb 6, 2002
    Meriden, CT
    This sounds like great work, but I am looking to upgrade an old Series 2. Will the new jmfs tool work for that, or do I need to revert to the older tools. I gave my old series 2 to a friend who is interested in expanding the drive until they make the move the HD.

    Thanks.
    Chris
     
  16. Nov 21, 2010 #276 of 2843
    lessd

    lessd Active Member

    7,695
    5
    Jan 23, 2005
    CT
    With a Series 2 why would you not just use WinMFS, there is no advantage to this new tool (for a Series 2) and no risk using WinMFS.
     
  17. Nov 21, 2010 #277 of 2843
    vectorcatch

    vectorcatch New Member

    129
    0
    Nov 20, 2008
    I thought I'd post some information about a short experiment performed with JMFS and a TiVo HD. (I decided to experiment with a drive that was not being used, 320GB WD Scorpio Blue).

    I started with the stock TiVo HD drive (160GB) with 11.0j installed.

    1. Performed a copy with JMFS to the 320GB drive. (~2 hrs using ESATA docks)
    2. Performed an expand and then a supersize using JMFS.
    3. Placed the drive back in the TiVo HD. It booted fine, but only displayed the standard 21 hrs.
    4. Tried an expand again with JMFS, expand failed since it had already been done.
    5. Tried Supersize again with JMFS, tool reported success, but again had no effect when placed back in the TiVo.
    6. Used WinMFS to turn SuperSize on (no other modifications using WinMFS)
    7. Placed back in TiVo and rebooted. TiVo reported 47 HD hrs.
    8. Trying to fill up to test extra space now to verify space actually works.

    Now this was more of an experiment with JMFS than anything else, but now makes me wonder why the final WinMFS supersize made everything work. Are the 2 performing supersize in a different way?
     
  18. Nov 21, 2010 #278 of 2843
    richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

    8,893
    2
    Jan 4, 2003
    Interesting stuff and some good data points. Thanks for taking the time to share. :up:
     
  19. Nov 21, 2010 #279 of 2843
    richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

    8,893
    2
    Jan 4, 2003
    Hi Chris. As Les suggests...all you need to do is use winMFS to replace/upgrade the drive in your Series2. All you need to know can be found here:

    http://www.mfslive.org/winmfs/
     
  20. Nov 22, 2010 #280 of 2843
    tinkererguy

    tinkererguy New Member

    70
    0
    May 13, 2002
    CT
    Getting ready by preparing my new 2TB WD20EVDS that arrived today. Verified the acoustic settings was at 128 (factory defaults), indeed it was. Then I made sure to idle timeout disabled using "WDIDLE /D" (factory defaults was 8 seconds).

    As far as the before/after cablecard question, I'll probably do a WinMFS backup of the drive before it's ever even booted, just as a sort of a just-in-case. I'll then be able to safely/easily try many scenarios for the jmfs copy/expand procedures, should I wind up having any issues with booting.
     

Share This Page