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Premiere Drive Upgrade Instructions - with all-in-one jmfs Live CD

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by comer, Sep 20, 2010.

  1. d_bondi

    d_bondi New Member

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    I have 2 TiVo Premieres and am going to upgrade one of them to 2TB HDD. I have purchased and received a WD20 EURX (from Amazon direct, not a 3rd party vendor), as well as two USB to SATA adapters (no PC with SATA, only an old Dell P4 desktop with IDE only, and two laptops w/o SATA).

    My 1st question..... unitron, has noted many times in this forum that any new HDD should be scanned/checked issues before it is used. I kind of assume that the utility I need to do this is on the Ultimate Boot CD, but am not sure which utility it is, or how to go about it. I think I have read in this forum that connecting the new EURX via the USB/SATA adaptor to Win7 is a BAD thing, so I want to make sure I don't mess it up before I even get started.

    Any detailed (step by step) guidance you can provide will be appreciated.

    Follow up question..... should I use the old Dell desktop with its USB 2.0 ports or one of the two laptops that only have USB 3.0 ports to do this?

    I'm sure there will be more questions once I get to the actual jfms part, but this will get me going for now.

    Thanks in advance !!!
     
  2. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    See where it says HDD?


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    Use the down arrow key to get to that and hit Enter.

    Then arrow down to Diagnosis and hit Enter

    Then arrow down to Data Lifeguard Diagnostic for DOS v5.20 (Western Digital) and hit Enter.

    After you've verified that it can find the drive you want to test, select it and run the short test and then the long test if it passes the short test.

    You can run that with the drive hooked up via USB.


    It's only disabling Intellipower with

    wdidle3.exe

    (to get to it go to Device Info and Management instead of Diagnosis)

    where you have to be connected directly to a SATA or IDE port on the motherboard (you can use a SATA/IDE adapter and connect a SATA drive directly to an IDE header if necessary, provided that that motherboard that's too old to have SATA is still new enough to be able to handle a drive as big as 2TB)

    The EURX probably comes from the factory with Intellipark disabled, so you probably shouldn't need to worry about that.


    Use the USB2 ports on the Dell.

    Chances are the SATA/USB adapters you got aren't USB3 anyway, and you may or may not have BIOS support for the USB3 ports--they may require loading a driver in Windows before they'll work, and if you boot from the UBCD that's not going to happen since you won't be in Windows.


    Windows XP SP3 or newer (Vista, 7) shouldn't automatically do anything to a new, blank drive it happens to notice is hooked up (although any TiVo drive with its Apple Partition Map would be interpreted as blank as well because Windows doesn't recognize the patterns of those as patterns).

    However, there's nothing I can think of that Windows can do for a TiVo drive or a drive that's going to be used in a TiVo that needs doing.

    While the long test is running, you can read the jmfs and DvrBARS threads so you know what you need to do to turn it into a Premiere drive once it passes the test.
     
  3. d_bondi

    d_bondi New Member

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    Thanks unitron!

    The old Dell (P4, 512MB RAM) is a real pig running XP SP3, but as you noted, it won't be running windows, so likely not an issue.
     
  4. d_bondi

    d_bondi New Member

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    I have run into a bump in the road.....

    I connected the WD20EURX to my USB/SATA adapter (Sabrent from Amazon) and the USB/SATA adapter to a USB2.0 port on the rear of my old Dell Dimension 3000 (assume that the rear ports are motherboard direct). Then I booted with the UBCD, and navigated to the Data Lifeguard Diagnostic for DOS v5.21 (Western Digital) and received the following:


    NO WESTERN DIGITAL DRIVES FOUND...

    DLGDIAG 5.21 - Data Lifeguard Diagnostics
    NON-WD DRIVE

    ERROR/STATUS CODE: 0201
    (C) Copyright 1996-2013 Western Digital Corportation


    Hit ANY KEY to continue...​


    so, then I figured, maybe I better disconnect the Dell's HDD. I did that and repeated the procedure. This time I received the following message:

    NO WESTERN DIGITAL DRIVES FOUND...

    DLGDIAG 5.21 - Data Lifeguard Diagnostics
    NO DRIVE FOUND

    ERROR/STATUS CODE: 0120
    (C) Copyright 1996-2013 Western Digital Corportation


    Hit ANY KEY to continue...​


    Any suggestions on how to proceed?
     
  5. Cybernut

    Cybernut New Member

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    Why don't you try running the diagnostics in Windows? The Windows diagnostics (as well as the DOS version) is available here -> http://support.wd.com/product/download.asp?groupid=610&sid=3&lang=en. Not sure if the drive will be visible when in Windows, but it'll be easier to do all this in Windows I'd think.

    Also, I noticed that you are under the impression that connecting the disk in Win 7 is bad. Well, that would be true if this was a drive with Tivo software already on it. But in this case you are simply running diagnostics on a brand new drive. There is no possibility of harming a brand new drive as long as it's not your existing tivo drive. You can even connect an existing tivo drive under Win 7...just don't open Disk Management under Device Manager....that's only when it's bad. I connect my stock tivo drive in Windows 7 during upgrades all the time - doesn't damage anything just by connecting the drive.
     
  6. d_bondi

    d_bondi New Member

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    Thanks for the quick response Cybernut.

    The old boat anchor Dell Dimension 3000 is Windows XP/SP3, I'm assuming that makes no difference, but it is soooo slow.

    Since you are suggesting running the diagnostics in windows, and I won't need to use the UBCD (laptop has no optical drive), I'll give the USB/SATA Adapter to the WD20EURX a whirl with the Win7/64 laptop.

    Do you think that the fact that the Dell, booted with UBCD couldn't see the WD20EURX with USB/SATA Adapter means that the jfms boot disk won't be able to see it either?

    Thanks!
     
  7. jmbach

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    Probably not. The JMFS iso has many drivers for different USB chipsets already. The UBCD works better when drives are connected via IDE or SATA.
     
  8. d_bondi

    d_bondi New Member

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    Good to know, thanks!
     
  9. d_bondi

    d_bondi New Member

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    OK, got the WD20EURX connected (via USB/SATA Adapter, I am using a USB 3.0 port, because that is all my laptop has and the device (USB/SATA Adapter) was recognized right away) to my Win7/64 laptop, and ran the WD Digital Data LifeGuard Diagnostics for Windows (v1_25).

    It passed the Quick Test.

    52 Minutes (about 6%) into the Extended Test, it failed and said "Too many bad sectors detected". Before the fail, it seemed to stall out once (Current Sector counter stopped) started back up, and then stopped completely and displayed the error message. :(

    I powered down and have re-run the Quick Test, passed again.

    I am currently re-running the Extended Test. As with the first run, it is saying it will take just under 14 hours.

    Is there possibly something I'm doing wrong?

    My purchase was direct from Amazon (not a 3rd party vendor on Amazon) and appeared to be new in WD packaging. Build date is 23 Dec 2013.
     
  10. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    I wouldn't put the drive in the trash until I'd tested it on another computer or three, but your results so far are not encouraging and illustrate why I say always run the manufacturer's long test on any new (or new to you) drive before putting it into service.

    You may have done everything right and just wound up with a bad one. It doesn't happen really often, but it does happen.
     
  11. d_bondi

    d_bondi New Member

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    I for one am glad that you have driven that point home, unitron. As disappointing as it is to know that I likely need to return this to Amazon and get a new one, it would be a thousand times more frustrating to have gotten through the process of the upgrade and then later had the problem after it was in service in the Premiere. Not to mention, by that time, the 30 day return/exchange at Amazon would have expired.

    As noted above, I did re-start the Extended Test. It is now 9 hours and 45 minutes in and about 72% complete, and still running with about 3 hours 45 minutes remaining. It did experience some stalling, several times at about the same time point and Current Sector count as when the failure occurred during my first Extended Test, but did continue and since then has been running smoothly so far as I know. During that stalling period, there was notably more noise coming from the HDD, like rubbing or even light grinding sound. That can't be good.

    I'll update upon completion of the Extended Test.
     
  12. d_bondi

    d_bondi New Member

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    After 13 hours and 28 minutes, the second Extended Test completed. Failed with "Too many bad sectors detected." message.

    Called Amazon, and they are overnighting a replacement so I'll have it tomorrow, and emailed USP return shipping label, all at no additional charge to me. You gotta love Amazon's customer service.

    Thanks again to unitron for driving home the Extended Test of any new HDD before installing in a TiVo, and to Cybernut for pointing me to the Win7 version of the Western Digital Data LifeGuard Diagnostics.

    Crossing my fingers that WD20EURX #2 passes the Extended Test with no incident.
     
  13. murryamorris

    murryamorris New Member

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    I just got the same drive last week from Amazon and I agree. The EURX is working well and I just put it in my OLED a few hours ago. Sometimes they ship drives with problems.
     
  14. d_bondi

    d_bondi New Member

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    The 2nd WD20EURX from Amazon passed both Quick and Extended Tests. Yippie! On to the next step.....

    Cracking open one of my babys... to pull out its stock 320GB HDD.

    I'll review the beginning of this thread (jfms) before starting, but is there anything glaring that I need to know? From my first pass throuth it seemed like a relatively simple process, mostly completely automated (as long as the jfms tool can see my drives through the USB/SATA adapters).
     
  15. unitron

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    You might want to familiarize yourself with the DvrBARS thread as well and make a backup image as long as you've got the drive hooked to a PC.
     
  16. d_bondi

    d_bondi New Member

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    Good idea unitron. I'll do that, and I think DvrBARS works with Win7 and the USB/SATA Adapter right? (no DOS boot disk stuff).

    The jfms went smoothly, just under 6 hours using the old Dell and 2 USB/SATA adapters. I have not put the new WD20EURX in the TiVo yet.

    I don't have a PC with SATA, so I can't run wdidle3 to check/disable Intellipark. Is that a big deal with the new WD20EURX? If so, I can see if I can get access to a friend's PC for a bit.

    Last question (for this post anyway). What about the Acoustic Management stuff? Is that something I should do on the new WD20EURX? If so, which is the best utility to use and what settings?
     
  17. ggieseke

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    I wouldn't worry too much about wdidle on a new EURX. I have about half a dozen recent EURS and EURX drives, and none of them needed it.

    Pretty much the same goes for acoustic management, though your mileage may vary. I'm running my 4TB XL and a factory 3TB Roamio Pro with the covers off and I can't hear anything from about 9 feet away.

    DvrBARS will read any drive that Windows can see (USB, SATA, eSATA etc). The only requirement is XP (SP2) or later and the drivers to support your chosen method of connection. If you have something weird like my ASUS USB3/SATA combo card it may take additional drivers, but in general it's just Plug & Play.

    Snapping at least a truncated backup after your initial setup as unitron suggested is a good idea. You never know when a drive might die, and when it does that 2GB backup may come in handy.
     
  18. d_bondi

    d_bondi New Member

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    When running DvrBARS on my laptop (Win7/64 Enterprise) I got CreatFile (Error 0x00000005 (5). Not sure why, but couldn't get DvrBARS to run.

    So I ran it on my wife's laptop(Win7/64 Home) and it had a hiccup the first time, but restarted and it ran fine. Took a little over 2.5 hours to do a Truncated Backup of the new 2TB WD20EURX and created a file about 250GB. Why is this file so big if it doesn't have any of my shows on it? Did it count the zeros it writes where the shows are? Now I just need to zip it and store it somewhere. Was hoping for a much smaller file. :confused:

    The new WD20EURX is installed back in the TiVo Premiere and working (haven't recorded anything yet, got "The Walking Dead" S4 Finale tonight to test it though) and shows 318 Hours HD Recording and only 7% full...:D:cool::D:cool::D
     
  19. ggieseke

    ggieseke Active Member

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    That error is "access denied". Must be a permissions issue.

    The oversize file on a truncated backup is something I'm still working on. TiVo has changed something in the latest OS that seems to invalidate the code that I use to to exclude recordings. It's a moving target and right now it's moving faster than I can keep up. Sorry about that, but when it comes to giving away free software or the job that pays my mortgage work comes first.
     
  20. d_bondi

    d_bondi New Member

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    Hey, No Worries, I was just curious. The good thing is that I have a backup if I ever need it. With 12 TB of external back up capacity, I'm sure I can find a place to stash it away.

    As for the permissions, my laptop is a work PC so, while I think I have administrator access, who really knows. My wife's is personal and I KNOW I have administrator rights.

    Thanks!!
     

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