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Premiere Drive Upgrade Instructions - with all-in-one jmfs Live CD

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by comer, Sep 20, 2010.

  1. pspens

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    Thanks, that would have saved me some time and head-scratching. As noted, I found a different site where I could download the .iso file directly.
     
  2. unitron

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    I've used the more recent of those WD programs within the past month or 3 on a WD20EURS and a couple of WD20EARXs without problem, so I don't know what happened in your situation.
     
  3. pspens

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    Perhaps I got an older version of UBCD... I wasn't paying any attention to version. The next time I boot it, I'll check the version and see if it is the latest.
     
  4. pspens

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    Extended test has completed without errors. It took over 6 hours to complete.
    Conveyance test has completed without errors.

    Does this mean I'm good to go?

    The UBCD version is 5.2b1. Is this the lastest to anyone's knowledge?
     
  5. unitron

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    Considering that the UBCD site itself says

    Current release: V5.1.1

    I'm not sure what you got hold of, from where, or who's added what to it.

    Suggest you go back to

    http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/download.html

    go to the mirror site list on the bottom of the page, click on one of the little icons to the immediate left of the site you choose, and download 5.1.1 from there.

    Once you burn it, try the WD short test again.
     
  6. pspens

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    Interesting. v. 5.1.1 is quite a bit smaller than the 5.2b1. So it looks like someone did, indeed, add something.

    Quick test succeeded!!! :D

    Since the other extended test ran without errors, is there much value in running this extended test? Or are they the same thing?
     
  7. unitron

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    I'd go ahead and do it, just to be on the safe side.

    Speaking of being on the safe side, you might want to take that 5.2 cd and snap it in half to prevent it ever accidentally being used, since we don't know what else is on it.

    I assume you still have the .iso for it on a hard drive somewhere, so if we ever find out it's legit you can burn another.
     
  8. pspens

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    5.2 already ****canned.
     
  9. pspens

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    I want to thank everyone here for helping me through this process. One thing I might mention is that after Expanding, you get a question, none of whose choices is "Supersize". I forget how it's stated, but you have to go back to the original menu to find the Supersize option.

    Seagate 500 GB --> WD20EURS 2 TB.
     
  10. Feb 1, 2013 #2070 of 2843
    172pilot

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    Sorry if this has been answered - I admittedly didn't read ALL Of the 69 pages in this thread, but I read a good portion of it, and did some searches with no results.... so..

    I've got a 2-tuner Premier that I upgraded to 1tb when I first got it several years ago. I have the original disk (hasn't ever even booted in the Tivo) so I do have a "backup plan", but now I've got probably 800g of shows saved, plus all the season passes and configs, and I'm seeing evidence that the hard drive might be going bad. Occasional freeze of video that eventually end up in the Tivo rebooting, etc.. so I'm thinking it's time to be a little bit proactive.

    I'm assuming that I could pop the 1tb drive out, and use either the jmfs boot disk, or probably even just a basic dd command to clone this drive to another 1tb drive, but I'm wondering if the jmfs disk would let me expand again, say onto a 2tb (or larger?) disk?

    Is there a limit to how many times you can expand with the jmfs?

    I guess another related question would be whether there'd be a performance disadvantage to going to a larger disk - I remember on my old series 1 Tivo which started with a 13g disk that I upgraded to 500g or so, and at least my perception was that the GUI was less responsive with the big disk

    Thanks in advance, and again, sorry if it's been answered elsewhere, but if I couldn't find it, perhaps this will help someone else find it later too??

    -Steve
     
  11. Feb 1, 2013 #2071 of 2843
    unitron

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    You could pick up a WD20EURS and then "Xerox" that 1TB onto it with

    ddrescue

    which is what jmfs uses, or

    dd_rescue

    a similar utility found on the MFS Live cd v1.4 (which is handy to have a copy of).

    Either way, the bootpage and partition map will be cloned, so the TiVo will think it's still a 1TB drive.


    As for expanding, I've never seen any indication anywhere that jmfs is anything other than a one-time deal.

    You could use it to copy the original 320GB to the 2TB and expand, but of course that wouldn't save the shows on the 1TB.

    There may be someone somewhere who knows how to copy the 1TB to a 2TB and do some fancy hex editing to enlarge that last partition which jmfs put on the 1TB in such a way that the TiVo will accept it, but I haven't seen anything anywhere about anyone having actually done that.
     
  12. Feb 1, 2013 #2072 of 2843
    mattack

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    Apparently no TiVo can even BOOT with a drive bigger than 2 TB in it, even if the filesystem on it only thinks its 2 TB. So at some point we're going to be stuck when < 2 TB drives become scarce.
     
  13. Feb 1, 2013 #2073 of 2843
    retiredqwest

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    IF it is a stock TP 320G drive AND you used JMFS to create the 1TB. Yes, you can go from the 1TB to a 2TB. It will take 8-10 hrs to copy though.

    Tivo's partitions are what determine the amount of times JMFS can copy and expand your TP. Stock it has 14 partitions, JMFS adds 1 partition every time you do an expand. So you get 1 more expand to achieve the max of 16 partitions that the Tivo will work with.

    If you bought the 1TB from a dealer.... That would require further details to check on the amount of partitions on that drive.
     
  14. Feb 1, 2013 #2074 of 2843
    jmbach

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    It is true that JMFS may add a partition (this is definitely true if the 15th partition is an Apple_Free partition) but a premiere TiVo will remove any partition number over 15 from its superheader which effectively making the partition unusable by the Tivo. If you check the partition map it will still be there.

    Getting a 2TB and let JMFS copy and expand from your 1TB and report back. It is quite possible that it may just make the third partition larger. I have not looked into that yet so I am not sure of the behavior of JMFS in that situation.

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  15. Feb 1, 2013 #2075 of 2843
    jmbach

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    On a different note I see that JMFS source also has windows batch files to run JMFS. At least that's what it looks like. Just not sure how to set up the directory and environment structure to see if it does work in Windows. Java based applications should work quasi universally if the hardware and java version requirements are met. Anybody with any ideas.

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  16. Feb 1, 2013 #2076 of 2843
    RKofCAL

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    Hi all,

    The jmfs procedure provided by comer appears to require that the new drive be larger than the existing TiVo drive (at least that's the way I'm interpreting the specific instructions).

    Is this really a requirement? My new TiVo shipped with a 2TB drive and I would like to produce a backup drive with some initialization (such as cable card pairing) but I am already at the size limit. My target drive would be the Western Digital WD20EURS 2TB drive.
     
  17. Feb 1, 2013 #2077 of 2843
    unitron

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    jmfs does two things.

    It uses

    ddrescue

    to copy the source drive to the target.

    Then, if you tell it to, it'll expand into additional space by adding a single MFS Media partition, and adjusting all of the other partions to make them aware of it.

    All you need is the first step.

    (You could also do it with

    dd_rescue

    which is available on the MFS Live cd v1.4)


    You do need to make sure that the LBA number of the EURS is as large (or larger) as the LBA number of the TiVo's drive.

    And you should run the WD diagnostics long test on the EURS first to make sure there's nothing wrong with it before doing the copy, just to be on the safe side.
     
  18. Feb 1, 2013 #2078 of 2843
    RKofCAL

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    Thanks, one small follow-up question. I have never used this program, so I have no idea what it can do in terms of drive identification. Since the two drives are of equal size, would one be able to tell which is the proper source drive loaded with the TiVo OS and which is the new blank?
     
  19. Feb 2, 2013 #2079 of 2843
    unitron

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    First of all, we need to be sure your PC doesn't have a GigaByte brand motherboard, since if it does there are special precautions to be taken before letting a TiVo drive get anywhere near it.

    There's something (although I don't know exactly what) about Series 4 and (apparently by lucky accident) later model Series 3 TiVo drives for which jmfs knows to look, and when it boots up if it finds one it'll offer to let you copy it to another drive.

    Be sure you tell it to copy to the empty 2TB and not your Windows drive.

    If you're worried about not knowing which drive is which, go back and read the first comment again

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=8143047#post8143047

    where it talks about using

    fdisk

    and

    hdparm

    As long as you don't have more than one of the same model number hard drive attached to the computer you should be able to tell them apart.
     
  20. Feb 2, 2013 #2080 of 2843
    retiredqwest

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    WOW, I stand or sit corrected......

    I just tried this the 320G to 1 1TB, then the 1TB to a 2TB. And shure enuff the TP asked if I wanted to divorce the external. And I cudda sworn I tried this at least once before.

    So I guess you only get one shot at expanding an S4. And Weaknees and DVR-DUDE are wrong about the max 16 partitions in a S4. Unless they have some way around this.
     

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