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Premiere Drive Upgrade Instructions - with all-in-one jmfs Live CD

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by comer, Sep 20, 2010.

  1. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    Before you go to the trouble of opening up the TiVo, removing the drive, and copying and expanding onto a bigger drive, go ahead and plug it in, set up your subscription, run through Guided Setup, get your cable cards paired, and make sure the TiVo is working properly.

    Then after a couple of weeks or so to make sure it's downloaded the latest software updates and all of that, you do the upgrade and then put the original drive somewhere safe, so it's ready to go if you ever need to use it for troubleshooting or to copy to another drive if the first replacement has problems.
     
  2. jmbach

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    If you are trying to make a compressed back up of the drive , it is better to do it before plugging it up the first time. If you are just going to copy and expand then follow Unitron's advice.

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  3. unitron

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    This is a Premiere thread.

    If he knew how to make a compressed or truncated backup of an S4 drive, he'd be schooling all of us. :)

    And on older sets, best to make a truncated back up (preferably one via WinMFS and another via the MFS Live cd), then set it up, then make backups again with different names to indicate that the first ones dump you to Guided Setup and the second ones are specific to that unit and have all of your info, like cable lineup, cable card pairings, etc.
     
  4. jmbach

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    I understand. I am not talking about a truncated backup but a compressed backup of the drive. Ggieseke has a program that makes a compressed backup. I have successfully used this to backup and restore a Premiere drive.

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  5. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    It just seemed to me that if superflysocal were already on the level of being able to do that he/she'd already know that you set up the original drive before copying to a bigger one.

    Is Ggieseke's technique/program covered earlier in this thread or a different one?

    Or do I have to look over on "the other site which must not be named"?
     
  6. jmbach

    jmbach der Neuerer

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    It's covered earlier in the thread. Have to pm him for the program as it is a work in progress.

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  7. pspens

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    Newbie here. I've been reading through this thread with the intent of upgrading my new Premier 4 with a 2 TB drive. Mentioned as usable is a
    WD model WD20EARS. I saw one on Amazon but it had an exposed drive (no cover) and a lot of other drives are displayed that way. Can anyone explain if that is normal/okay to use? All the drives I've dealt with in my experience have been enclosed.

    Thats for any enlightenment.
     
  8. pspens

    pspens New Member

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    Nope, it's still 10!!
     
  9. unitron

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    What you want to do is keep an eye out for the WD20EURS dropping to $100.

    Although the WD20EARS has been used by many in Premieres and S3s as well successfully, and if you found a new old stock WD20EADS it'd probably work as well. Maybe even the WD20EACS. But those 3 are older models and unused ones unlikely to be available.

    The WD20EURS is an A/V application-specific drive.

    Instead of retrying several times to handle errors, which is what you want the drives on a computer or server to do, it is more forgiving of them so that it can keep from falling behind on constantly writing one or more audio/video streams to the platters.

    A single wrong byte is such a short amount of time that your eyes or ears won't notice anything wrong, whereas in your PC it could mean a disastrous error on a spread sheet or in a database.

    That picture is a stock photo, supplied originally by Western Digital, but the drives are not sold with the cover missing like that.

    Due to the way hard drives work (the heads float just above the platters on a thin film of air that's dragged along by friction of the platters against the air, but the space between the head and the platter is smaller than the diameter of a smoke particle, and a piece of dust looks like a boulder to it), leaving the cover off anywhere but in an absolute "clean room" would reduce its lifespan to minutes.
     
  10. pspens

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    Thanks for your thorough response. There's a WD20EURS for $108 on amazon right now...
     
  11. unitron

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    But last week when newegg had it on sale for $100, they price matched until about a day after newegg's sale ended, and that's not the first time it's gone down to $100 at both places at about the same time, so if you're not in a big hurry...

    It's still free shipping, right?
     
  12. pspens

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    I just bought it. Free shipping with there slowest method. I've only had my Premier 4 for 2 days, so there's no rush on performing the surgery. I still want to read up on the Intellpark stuff.
     
  13. unitron

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    Go back to the top of the page and read what I told superflysocal about what to do before upgrading the drive.

    You want to make sure the TiVo works okay before you open it up and change anything, in case you have to return it for another unit.

    As for Intellipark, since the WD20EURS is designed with running constantly, every second, in mind, it should arrive with Intellipark not having been enabled at the factory.

    Make yourself a copy of the Ultimate Boot CD, and you'll have both wdidle3 (in the unlikely event that you need it) and the WD diagnostic software, so that you can run the long test on it before putting it into service.

    Brand new drives don't usually show up with something wrong already, but it's not unheard of.
     
  14. pspens

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    Good info, thx. It's been running fine for about 4 days now. When I did the guided setup it downloaded the latest software.
     
  15. unitron

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    You've only had your Premiere for 2 days but it's been running for 4 days?

    That must have been some long extension cord unreeling out the back of that UPS truck.
     
  16. pspens

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    :D The 2 days was just off the top of my head... time flies when you're having fun. After thinking about it, I realized I got it installed on Thursday.
     
  17. steve614

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    Not to be a Debbie Downer, but I recommend that you wait until you get past the 90 day free replacement warranty period before you upgrade.

    If you decide to forge ahead, keep in mind that if you have any issues, don't call TiVo. They can read the system info from your Tivo and can tell if you have an upgraded hard drive and will refuse the warranty.
     
  18. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    Oh, you people with the budgets for non-used TiVos and your fancy problems. :rolleyes:
     
  19. ggieseke

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    I'm still schooling myself. :p

    A true truncated backup in the classic MFSLive sense is still a ways off, but my method works fairly well if you start with a "virgin" drive. It uses the same tech as Microsoft's virtual hard drive files for Virtual PC. The drive is broken into 2MB blocks, and the blocks that are all zeroes are just noted in the header instead of being copied. Other than that it's just a byte for byte copy like dd.

    The only Premiere image I have at the moment is a TCD746320 that went through at least one guided setup and software update (but no recordings). The VHD file is 3.4GB and it will zip down to less than 2GB. Another member used it on a brand-new drive and the raw VHD file was 1.5GB.

    The first alpha only ran on Windows 7, but now I read and write the VHD files myself and it runs on XP or later.
     
  20. lpwcomp

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    John's...
    Have you or anyone else experimented with restoring this to a larger HD and using JMFS to expand/supersize?
     

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