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Premiere as tuner, without subscription - definitive answers (hopefully)

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by swechsler, Jan 18, 2011.

  1. robby818

    robby818 New Member

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    Sorry, can't answer that one as I returned my Amazon one and am now using a lifetime Premiere.
     
  2. mikedahammer

    mikedahammer New Member

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    Can someone show me a copy of the screen shot of the nag message when changing channels and what pops up for those using it as a cablebox without a subscription?

    I, like many others, want do use it as an HD box but I i would hate pop ups all the time if that is the case. Comcast in my location gives one free cablecard per account and all I want to do is get my HDTV channels in another room without having to rent a box at $9.20 a month.
     
  3. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    With the new V20.2 software all functions, except channel changing, are gone, no trick play, no pause, no HDUI, you can just watch channels like the old type cable boxes, no information about the channel except the channel number. TiVo has made the TP as useless as possible, not that I can blame them as the hardware cost only about $80, must be a good loss for TiVo if one does not sub the box. You still get about 7 days of some use for a new TP.
    The nag screen only comes up when you change channels and its in the banner that would have the program info if you had a sub.
     
  4. mikedahammer

    mikedahammer New Member

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    that is fine with me that they disabled all of those features. I just want my HD channels without having to pay 10 bucks a month for them. I know i will be in essence paying $10 bucks a month so as long as the box lasts a year.

    I have never seen a tivo and that is why i was asking those questions as I do not want a bunch of pop-ups when tuning to channel. Anyone got any screen shots they can upload for me.
     
  5. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    There's no 'bunch of pop-ups', it's the standard (full) channel banner when you change channels, that's all. Tivo just replaces the program info text (show description) in the banner with text saying that you're not subbed.

    But if you go into display settings and set the banner to go away quickly, it's only on-screen for a second or so and is no bother at all. Try it and if you don't like it, return the box.
     
  6. mikedahammer

    mikedahammer New Member

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    awesome....thanks for the replies. I really appreciate it.
     
  7. heyted

    heyted New Member

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    mikedahammer, I have Comcast in south Florida, and I would have to pay approximately $10 per month to pair the cablecard in order to receive non-local HD channels and premium channels like HBO. I do get local HD channels (clear QAM) and digital SD channels that do not have Copy Protection with my unsubscribed TiVo Premiere. Almost all of the digital channels below 99 currently do not have Copy Protection in my location. Almost all channels in my area are now digital. I also get a cablecard nag screen when I reboot the TiVo and start watching live tv. You cannot pair the cablecard by calling Comcast and having them only send a hit signal (but you do need to do this to get digital channels). I am currently paying nothing per month to TiVo and nothing per month to Comcast for the cablecard. I hope this helps. Does anyone know how to get rid of the cablecard nag screen?
     
  8. replaytv

    replaytv gun talk ignore list

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    "Originally Posted by Andyistic View Post
    If you press RECORD on the remote, will it start recording the current program being shown?"

    Depending on the software that the box has, it will start recording for a set half hour recording. (you can't change this to an hour or more by pressing the record button again like on VCRs. ) you can go into the 'to do list' and extend the recording. This only works with some Tivos. I have seen it work with SEries 3 and SEries 4 Tivos. But many people say on this forum that the newest software totally disables any kind of recording using the 'Record' button.

    I have found with some Series 2 Tivos that if you press the 'record' button' that it totally locks up and only will start working again by unplugging it. But you can use the manual recording method.

    I don't do any of this manual recording as I have enough lifetime Tivos and Replay Tvs to have one running in every room/closet/garage in my house.
     
  9. siratfus

    siratfus New Member

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    Just got a premiere box for this purpose.

    I plan to disconnect from network after 7 day free-trial. But what happens when Fios shuffles their channels? On a normal cable box not connected to network, the signal is sent to the cable line, right? Will the same signal reach the cable card?

    I fully understand without subscription, I won't have proper channel labellings should the fios channel do a shuffle. I just want to know, will I still get the channel wherever it moves to without being online?

    Would I need to connect the tivo back to network for this purpose?
     
  10. siratfus

    siratfus New Member

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    To answer my own question and to help other newbies. It works! It's okay that you're offline.. You will get all the channels that you pay for even when it shuffles to a new channel, you will see it at the new channel/location.

    Just don't ever use the guide or info button. Think of it like the old days when you would plug the cable directly into your secondary tv without a box. No guide service, just flip channels. This has been perfect for my parents who don't ever push guide and info in the first place. Should have done this much earlier for them.
     
  11. JimboG

    JimboG New Member

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    You're using it wrong.
     
  12. heyted

    heyted New Member

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    I no longer have the CableCARD nag screen. After calling Comcast and explaining that I have only one CableCARD, I was able to pair the card with no monthly fee.

    I purchased my unsubscribed TiVo to use instead of a digital transport adapter (DTA). I put together the table below comparing the two devices to help others. The table is definitely not typical for all TiVo Premieres or with all cable providers, but it is definitely what I am observing with Comcast in South Florida while not connecting to the TiVo service for four months. My TiVo has software version 14.8c-01-3-746. My DTA is from Comcast and manufactured by Pace.


    ...Description....................................TiVo Premiere..DTA

    1. Usable dual tuners................................. ✓ ...........
    2. Limited recording ability.......................... ✓ ...........
    3. Legal to use without TiVo subscription............. ✓ ....... N/A
    4. HD tuner........................................... ✓ ...........
    5. Clear QAM including HD local channels.............. ✓ ...........
    6. Multiple free from cable provider............................. ✓
    7. Single free CableCARD from cable provider.......... ✓ ....... N/A
    8. Better standard definition quality................. ✓ ...........
    9. Pause live TV...................................... ✓ ...........
    10. Does not display guide/show information........... ✓ ........ ✓
    11. Displays channel number........................... ✓ ........ ✓
    12. No off button..................................... ✓ ........ ✓
    13. On button on unit................................. ✓ ...........
    14. Standby mode...................................... ✓ ...........
    15. Uses less power.............................................. ✓
    16. Time drifts (incorrect time)...................... ✓ ....... N/A
    17. Displays channel name............................. ✓ ...........
    18. Channel name may be incorrect..................... ✓ ....... N/A
    19. More channels..................................... ✓ ...........


    Notes:
    3. Under specific conditions
    8. SD digital signal delivered to TV via HDMI appears to result in slightly better quality image than DTA's modulation to NTSC channel 3
    12. I turn mine off by remote using an Ademco Lamp Module and a Smart Strip every night
    13. Format button can be used as on button
    18. As described by siratfus above, if channel numbers change, channel name at new location will not be correct
    19. I get more channels, such as many music channels and local HD channels, with TiVo/CableCARD
     
  13. wmcbrine

    wmcbrine Ziphead

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    +1
     
  14. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    As a cable box, for as cheap as $50 recently vs. renting an overpriced HD STB? Don't think so, using a Tivo for this is a no-brainer. On Comcast it can pay for itself in less than a year.
     
  15. heyted

    heyted New Member

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    Since the new FCC rules went into effect on August 8, 2011, it is easier for cable subscribers to obtain CableCARDs (http://www.fcc.gov/guides/digital-cable-compatibility-cablecard-ready-devices). Even though the cards are now easy and cheap or free to obtain, the availability of low-cost CableCARD-ready tuners is extremely limited -- especially those that do not require a computer. My search for a CableCARD-ready tuner that can connect directly to a HDTV using a HDMI cable resulted in zero devices that cost less than $100 and have functionality comparable with the features I listed in the table above. Even though the TiVo is not being used as originally intended by TiVo Inc., it adequately allows me to access my cable content the way that I want.
     
  16. tbielowicz

    tbielowicz New Member

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    Can you transfer recordings from a Tivo that is active to a non-active Tivo?
     
  17. wmcbrine

    wmcbrine Ziphead

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    For the 10,000th time... no.
     
  18. tbielowicz

    tbielowicz New Member

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    10,000th time! Do I win a prize?

    BTW - thanks for the reply.
     
  19. heyted

    heyted New Member

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    You may want to consider the free TiVo Desktop application. Having two subscribed TiVos is not required to transfer recordings. For example, I sometimes transfer recordings from a subscribed TiVo on the wife's TV to the living room TV that has a computer and an unsubscribed Premiere on it.
     
  20. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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    Your post is a little misleading. You must be using the computer at the living room TV to play back the transferred show from the bedroom Premiere.

    An unsubscribed Tivo will not have MRV functions.
     

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