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Pre-Purchase Questions

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by SickSquirrel, Apr 8, 2014.

  1. SickSquirrel

    SickSquirrel teach me ;)

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    I just read this and believe you as it makes perfect sense. I'd need to buy more and complicate my life for a crappy, slow process,

    The BulkTV person, who you'd assume knows their ****, says, "If you would like to purchase a Tivo then you will be able to set it up with Zap2it and you would be able to record programming then. The site for zap2it is www.zap2it.com. You will need to provide the zip code and you will see the property in a list of properties. Once you pick that then you will be able to set up your Tivo to provide you a guide for your television and it will allow you to record programming also. "

    *snap*. Easy as pie, right? No mention if the internet is needed, no mention of cables or boxes. Just pick and viola! You're all set.

    Y'all know more about TiVo than they do. It seems they are leading customers down the wrong road.
     
  2. ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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    Tivo gets guide data info from Tribune Media. Zap2it.com also gets it from Tribune. There is no choice to select which source to get its guide data. You just run Guided Setup and provide your zipcode for its setting up. Tivo also has the option of using the phone to obtain the guide data (slow option) with fewer service options (just enough options for basic functions) than using ethernet/wireless networking. With Premiere and Roamio, you would have to buy a phone adapter to use the phone (analog phone lines only, digital phones do not work.)

    You can get older models with lifetime Tivo service for less then what you can pay for a newer model on sites such as ebay.com.
     
  3. SickSquirrel

    SickSquirrel teach me ;)

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    Thank you. I need a phone connection, analog. I know there is a landline connection behind my bed. That's the old-fashioned connection for corded phones. I could get that activated. I could then buy an adapter (how much and where) to use the Roamio. In theory that solves the need for the internet. I could then get the guide on my tv to find programs to record.

    I could also find a TiVo on eBay but which model do I seek? And once I find this unit, which TiVo package do I want?

    For phone service, must I go through the phone company or can I use Comcast's phone service? The latter is cheaper but I have to check on analog service.

    Now I feel closer than ever.
     
  4. ncfoster

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    Good to know that there is at least the option of a landline. Hopefully, it is fully analog, not some sort of digital Voice over IP line.

    While some people have had some problems with the Roamios, I think the consensus is that they are the best units that Tivo has produced. They are certainly faster than the Premieres. I don't have a lot of experience with the generations before that, since I didn't have them.

    The USB-to-phone adapter description that I see only references the Tivo HD, and Tivo Premiere, not the Roamios, but I wouldn't be surprised if that just hasn't been updated. https://www.tivo.com/shop/detail/usb-phone-adapter

    If your needs are simple, I'd try to pick up a Premiere that already has lifetime service on it through eBay. If you are worried about being frustrated by a device that is known to get slow at times (and someone can confirm that the USB-to-phone adapter will work on a Roamio), I would get a base model Roamio.

    I suggest the basic model, because: 1) it allows OTA or cable, so if one route doesn't work, you will have more flexibility to try the other. The higher-end models only do cable; 2) I don't think that you are going to be able to use most of the higher-end features of the Roamio, like streaming, given your internet situation; and 3) you can always upgrade the storage if you have to.

    Final note on this: The original generation Premieres will let you connect BOTH cable and an antenna at the same time. For some people, this is enough of a reason to stick with a Premiere. It might be more complicated than it is worth in your scenario. But, if someone is coming in to connect it up for you, connecting both at once COULD be a worthwhile endeavor.

    I think any Comcast offering is going to be Voice-over-IP/digital, so I wouldn't go that route.
     
  5. midas

    midas I heard that

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    I would take a few minutes and actually call TiVo before I spent any money. You need to confirm that they actually will be able to provide guide data for this service. There are many services that provide TV to commercial businesses, such as a nursing home, that may not do business with home customers. You need to confirm that Tivo actually supports them.

    And if they do support them, you need to c confirm that the channel lineup matches what you receive. Make sure that what TiVo thinks is channel 7 is what you see as channel 7. Check a number of channels, especially those that are not normal over the air channels like USA and ESPN.
     
  6. ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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    Series 3/HD and earlier models still have modems to connect to a phone line, so a phone adapter is not needed.
    Only Premiere and Roamio.

    Where are you located?
     
  7. SickSquirrel

    SickSquirrel teach me ;)

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    So let's see if I have this right (it changes daily!). I want Premiere, not Roamio. Do I want XL, 2, 3 4? Or does it matter? (I'll have, at the most, 20-30 hours taped)

    Premiere Model (??), no adapter. Analog phone jack -- how do I find out if it's analog? They were installed in the 60's and never upgraded from what they think. I need to be sure. (maintenance just told me in the 15 years he's been here nothing has been upgraded)

    The TiVo will plug into the TV then a phone cord will go from TiVo to the jack. I'll then be able to bring up Zap2It (the guide) to find programs to tape.

    Adapter not needed
     
  8. ncfoster

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    Series 3 Tivos are a separate thing. They support HD, but are older.

    Premieres come in many variations. I wouldn't worry about XL with the recording needs that you've stated. Standard Premieres have 2 tuners. If there is a 4 in the model number, there are 4 tuners. That will control how many shows you can watch or record at one time.

    If they are regular old phone jacks that have not been touched since the 60s, they are POTS (plain old telephone service), which is analog. Now that I think about it, you asked about getting service through Comcast before. If they lock down your TV and internet options, Comcast phone is not going to be in the cards either, I'm sure.

    Premiere DOES need the USB adapter.

    You shouldn't need to worry about the "Zap2It" stuff if you are able to connect your Tivo to a phone line or the internet.
     
  9. SickSquirrel

    SickSquirrel teach me ;)

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    Thank you. BulkTV told me The property is being set up with Zap2it. If you would like to purchase a Tivo then you will be able to set it up with Zap2it and you would be able to record programming then.




    I guess they feel it is the only online guide geared toward our channels.

    You say I need a USB adapter. How it that connected? USB port on the Premiere to the tv??? My tv has no USB ports.

    I want Premiere 2 with a USB Adapter. I'll search eBay, Amazon and ultimately TiVo dot com. I want to get a feel for pricing.
     
  10. ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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    Its a phone adapter which connects the phone line to the USB port on the Tivo. There may be another dilemma, since its internet over the phone, much slower... There has been a few Tivo users which still use the phone and they had problems with it.

    Series 3 and earlier models still have a modem built-in and that is what's needed to connect via the phone line. Premiere and Roamio does not, hence the phone adapter.
     
  11. SickSquirrel

    SickSquirrel teach me ;)

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    I just did an Amazon, eBay and Google search and found almost nothing. I think I saw it on Amazon and TiVo dot but nowhere else. Lots of remotes, tons of Series 4 but 2 is elusive. I'll start over with 4 and see what I find. I found the adapter on TiVo dot. I saw other USB adapters but some were G, some network, some wireless. I don't want to buy the wrong thing to save ten bucks.

    Off on a Series 4 hunt. Fun Friday night :)
     
  12. ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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  13. SickSquirrel

    SickSquirrel teach me ;)

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    Oy.

    TiVo Premiere 4
    $249.99 $124.99

    4 tuners to record 4 shows at once
    Up to 75 HD hours
    TiVo® Standard remote
    Supports digital cable channels only
    Searches TV & web apps simultaneously
    Online & mobile scheduling

    I'm not digital; I'm satellite
     
  14. SickSquirrel

    SickSquirrel teach me ;)

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    Off to search for Premiere. Original unit. Not upgrade to 2 or beyond.
     
  15. SickSquirrel

    SickSquirrel teach me ;)

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    TiVo Premiere

    2 tuners to record 2 shows at once
    Up to 75 HD hours
    TiVo® Standard remote
    Supports analog, digital, and over-the-air channels
    Searches cable TV & web apps simultaneously
    Online & mobile scheduling
    Replaces your cable box*

    I'm satellite. If I use the USB adapter, does it convert satellite to analog?
     
  16. ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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    The adapter is only for the phone line not TV source. Any satellite is not compatible with Series 3/Premiere/Roamio models. You would have to go to Series 2 models as they are the last to support satellite.

    I have a working Series 2, single tuner with lifetime which I have retired, modem was never used. We can negotiate costs.
     
  17. SickSquirrel

    SickSquirrel teach me ;)

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  18. midas

    midas I heard that

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    But it's not really satellite. It's a company that resells DirecTV, but maps the channels directly. There is no sat. receiver involved. They are either being remapped to OTA or QAM for tuning via the TV itself.

    I still say, I'd be worried about getting guide data from Tivo. BulkTV sells to businesses, not to individual households. From their website:

    That means, in theory every business they sell to could have a different channel lineup. That's why I suggest calling Tivo to confirm they can provide the guide data.
     
  19. moonscape

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    I think this is an excellent idea. At Mom's large retirement center, they had a similar set-up as they moved from the city-owned system to a satellite one. There were limited channels, but that small lineup changed a year after the facility switched, with a number of channel changes.

    I too would call Tivo.
     
  20. ncfoster

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    It is possible that Tivo will not provide exactly the guide data that you need. I have only personally heard of using Zap2It for ReplayTVs, but I would not be surprised if it could be made to work on a Tivo. Outside my expertise, though.

    Unless I am mistaken, none of the 2-tuner Premieres have the number 2 in them. That is just the base Premiere model.
     

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