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Pre-Purchase Questions

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by SickSquirrel, Apr 8, 2014.

  1. Apr 8, 2014 #1 of 43
    SickSquirrel

    SickSquirrel teach me ;)

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    The Roamio is two hundred plus fifteen a month. For that I get the unit, remote and don't need to buy anything else?? I'm in a nursing home and use their WiFi. Do I need the Internet with Roamio? If so, how do I get the signal via coax? I no longer have a cable box. TV plugged into the wall picks up BulkTV.

    I won't be accessing Netflix or any other service. This is strictly for recording purposes. I want to watch commercial-free, when I want as interruptions are common, plus I want to rewind if I miss something. (I had Comcast with their DVR service and loved it. Didn't like the $105 monthly fee).

    (I need to run this by the maintenance guy for approval plus they'll hook it all up for me. If cables are needed, I need to buy them in advance. )

    The Roamio is disc-less, right, using HDD? I can record on one channel and watch another? I'd like to preset it to tape at 10:00 AM but at 10:30 AM I want to watch another channel. Can I preprogram it to tape daily at the same time? Weekly same time and channel as in a series?

    I'm ready to order but need to be sure this is right for me.

    Thank you
     
  2. Apr 8, 2014 #2 of 43
    twylie

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    Correct on the pricing and what you'd need to make it work. Big question is which cable provider and if they can supply a cable card. If so, you will be fine with the basic Roamio. If you're talking OTA (over the air) signal to feed the tuner in the Roamio, you can likely pick up network channels depending on your location and antenna.

    You will need an internet connection but locally provided wifi may be sufficient to register and allow the box to phone home for updates and guide data.

    The Roamio uses an internal hard drive. Even the basic unit provides 4 tuners so you can record multiple programs at once or record 3 and watch one live.

    It can be set to record a regular program time and channel ( season pass in TiVo terminology), or more flexibly set a wish list that keys on title, actor, keyword, etc. it's very flexible and almost certainly will accomplish what you want as far as pre programmed recording goes.
     
  3. Apr 8, 2014 #3 of 43
    ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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    Tivo Roamio also has built-in Wifi. It needs the internet for guide data, subscription services, etc.

    If your Wifi has some policy that needs a browser to allow access, it may not be possible for it to connect.
     
  4. Apr 8, 2014 #4 of 43
    SickSquirrel

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    BulkTV and I doubt they can provide the card. We don't have a cable box. We just plug into the wall and BulkTV is on our sets.

    OTA depends on location and antenna. I assume the antenna is on our roof. I know Bulk is a reseller of DirectTV but I don't know how they set it up to be accessed on every TV set. We get about thirty channels and I'd want to record just a couple like Food Network, Animal Planet and another cable channel whose name escapes me. Theft aren't Network channels, just cable but I need to record them.

    If I sign up and buy the unit and it can't be set up to catch the Wifi signal, can I cancel and get a full refund?

    If TiVo isn't compatible, do you have other suggestions? I need a disc-less recorder compatible with my system.
     
  5. Apr 8, 2014 #5 of 43
    SickSquirrel

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    I open a browser window, go to the login page, enter username and password, and I'm connected
     
  6. Apr 8, 2014 #6 of 43
    ThAbtO

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    This wouldn't work since Tivo does not have a browser to use the login page. The only connection for wifi/wireless is in the network settings to connect to routers or servers to connect to the secured network.

    Alternative is to just use an ethernet cable.
     
  7. Apr 8, 2014 #7 of 43
    SickSquirrel

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    'Splain more, please. Ethernet cable connects to the TiVo. The other end goes ...?
     
  8. Apr 8, 2014 #8 of 43
    waynomo

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    Can you share an internet connection from PC like in the old days? It sounds like sick squirrel has a PC or laptop.
     
  9. Apr 8, 2014 #9 of 43
    ThAbtO

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    Perhaps an ethernet port in the wall, or a PC which is connected via Wifi.
     
  10. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    Sounds to me like an older Series 1 or 2 TiVo with direct analog RF coax inputs is in order for this fine gentleman.
     
  11. ncfoster

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    I had never heard of BulkTV before this post.

    A quick Google search leads me to the same conclusion that you have some sort of repackaged satellite TV, which is not compatible with modern Tivos such as Premiere and Roamio.

    From your previous answers, it seems like the Wifi is going to be a no-go, unless you can figure out some other solution. I would think that there would be some way that you could use a router in your room to bridge to the provided Wifi connection. Perhaps then you could authorize through your computer or tablet, and establish connectivity for "wired" devices.

    I am a bit confused by the "disc-less" designation. I am going to assume that you mean something that doesn't use removable discs. While there was a brief period of time that you could get DVD-based TV recorders, those were neither popular, nor do I think they are on the market any longer.

    I would also be interested to know what sort of TV you are connecting to. If we are talking about a standard-definition TV, then I would look for some sort of older DVR with lifetime service included. I have a couple of ReplayTVs kicking around that would fit the bill. Others have mentioned that older-generation Tivos would work as well.

    If you need an HD-DVR for satellite, I am unaware of anything you can get that is not provided by the satellite company. Based on this page ( https://www.bulktv.com/choice/ ), I presume that you can get them to provide you a standard DirecTV DVR, which is not bad.

    Hopefully, I haven't lost you yet. My last suggestion may be a little of a dark horse...

    You've said that there is no cable box, and that the coax goes straight into the TV set. If that is accurate, then I suspect that some sort of HDhomerun from Silicon Dust might work. That would be a very different setup that would likely also involve an WIFI router as a bridge, and you'd end up watching TV either through an Xbox 360, PS3 or some sort of computer.

    I wish that I knew more about the system, but unfortunately, I don't think that the Roamio is the answer in your case.
     
  12. ThAbtO

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  13. SickSquirrel

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    I have a Win laptop or an iPad, neither of which can be connected all the time or even the times I watch tv. There just isn't enough room to keep either out and connected and safely out of the way.
     
  14. SickSquirrel

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    No disc meant the DVR had a hard drive. I tried a Magnavox ***533*** but it could not be hooked up to work. Maintenance spent ninety minutes setting it up and testing. DVR played, TV worked but it wouldn't record via remote to direct programming. I'd been told it was the only DVR that worked without the internet.

    I do get what you are saying. I appear stupid but five years ago, before I became ill, I had 150+ websites all hand-coded and I did other coding. Hooking up a DVD or component was easy. But I lost significant memory so most of this is new to me.

    TiVo was a suggestion but it appears I'm not compatible. I was told to look into Channel Master. I did some research but I have to ask maintenance about OTA and HDMI connector. My tv is 8-10 years old so isn't as technology savvy as newer sets. It's a Sharp 19" flat screen with a built-in DVD player. Several years old but wasn't used much.

    I don't believe there is a coax cable. TV plugs into the wall but that's it. Cable box is gone. How BulkTV gets to us is a mystery. They were here several days wiring and drilling so I assume it's a wireless connection.

    I guess TiVo isn't for me unless I look for older, used systems. If you have any suggestions on where I might find one compatible with my TV, needs no internet and can record BulkTV, please tell me. I mention the last item as all the DVR units I found online would record network tv but not cable. Some programs I like are on small stations.

    Thank you
     
  15. SickSquirrel

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  16. tatergator1

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    They way you describe Bulk TV and what I've read from the website, it seems to me that the DirecTV signals come into the building via satellite, and they have equipment on site to modulate the various satellite channels to traditional cable frequencies. I say this since you've indicated there is no box at the TV. I assume you just turn on the TV and use the TV remote to change channels? The coax connection would be a screw-on connector to the back of the TV.

    The question is whether they are using analog or digital QAM to do this. If it's analog, the Roamio's won't work at all. Does the TV service have any HD ( High Definition) channels? How many channels do you get? Are they all numbered less than 100? If it is Analog, an older Series 2 dual Tuner might be an option.
     
  17. ncfoster

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    Having looked at the BulkTV website, it seems to me that it is HD. So, that would lead one to believe that it is QAM. However, the fact that they seem to offer the DirecTV HD DVRs suggests something else entirely.

    The part that really baffles me is that he says that he can record network shows, but not the other channels. This leads me to believe that there is either some sort of combination of OTA and satellite, or some sort of in-house encryption of the non-network channels.
     
  18. ncfoster

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    I'm afraid that I am not well-versed in these offerings. I presume that this is what you tried?: http://www.magnavox.com/product/feature.php?id=115 Maybe someone else has more experience with these than I do.

    I hope that I have not come across as patronizing. No judgment here.

    Before Googling it, I was unaware that Channel Master had a DVR offering. I was only aware of their antenna offerings. It looks to be OTA only, which may or may not suit your needs (it seems that you want to record cable channels as well). If it is the one described here: http://www.cnet.com/products/channel-master-dvr-plus/ , it appears to require an internet connection.

    If you can tell us anything else about the Sharp TV, it would be helpful. Do you know the model number? When you say flat screen, do you mean LCD panel, or just an older tube that has little curve to the front? Is it HD or a standard definition set? I seem to recall that there were in-between models that were LCD standard definition TVs, but they did have a built-in DVD player. Something 8-10 years old would seem likely to be in that category.

    If you are working with a standard-definition set, I honestly cannot recommend ReplayTVs highly-enough. They are fantastic. As far as I know, you can still use a phone-connection for guide-data, but I haven't looked into it lately. Figuring out a way to get it on the internet would still probably be the best way to go.

    Drilling would imply to me the opposite, that they needed to run wires. With all of the tiny HDMI devices like ChromeCast that are available now, I wouldn't be surprised at anything, though.

     
  19. SickSquirrel

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    I spoke to maintenance today. He says we are satellite and my tv has HDMI. I emailed BulkTV last night since they offer DVR solutions. They say the TiVo will work with them through Zap2It. My big concern is getting the Zap Guide into my tv to choose programs to record. It would seem I need an internet connection, no? I'm waiting to hear back. They may have a USB wifi connection in their box and I'd buy that.

    That seems to be my best choice. I assume Roamio is the TiVo option for me. I'll ask them that, too.

    I'll post once I hear back. I see a light at the end of the tunnel!
     
  20. ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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    Tivo models Roamio, the older Premiere and Series 3 will not work with satellite, only Antenna, analog cable or digital cable. Output is through composite (analog, Yellow RCA, with white/red audio), component (Green/Blue/Red with white/red audio) or HDMI. There are no coax outputs.

    There are older models of Tivo Series 2 that will work with satellite, but they are analog video recorders and would require a box for satellite or digital cable which would convert digital signals to analog. To control the box, Tivo will use an IR cable to send remote signals to the box and change channels. Its a much slower process but it works most of the time.
     

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