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Possibilites of a Series3/TivoHD upgrade beyond 2TB?

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by CrashHD, Mar 1, 2014.

  1. Mar 1, 2014 #1 of 57
    CrashHD

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    Has anyone tried to upgrade a Series3/TivoHD past 2TB total capacity lately? Since one of the recent software updates allowed greater than 1TB partitions, making it conveniently possible to upgrade any of these units to 2TB, I've been wondering if any other limitations may have been removed as well, and in fact greater yet capacities may be possible.

    When I find an eSATA enclosure, I am considering attempting a 4TB setup in a 2TB + 2TB configuration.
     
  2. Mar 1, 2014 #2 of 57
    jmbach

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    It is theoretically possible to expand a TiVo HD series 3 to 3TB or 4TB as it has a 64bit MFS. The OLED S3 has a 32bit MFS and consequently cannot be upgraded further. I have proved that 11.0k software can see a 3TB drive. (Transferred my 2TB image to a 3TB drive and booted it in the TiVo.)

    That being said, I was hoping someone would try this. I only have an OLED S3 to work with and thus was unable to try what I think is possible. If you are willing to try this I am willing to help. The method would be similar to building a 3TB or 4TB premiere. The quickest and easiest method is if you have a TiVo HD XL 1TB image, place it on a 3TB drive and use JMFS to expand to 3TB. What Model S3 do you have.
     
  3. Mar 1, 2014 #3 of 57
    CrashHD

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    I have two of each at my disposal. I collected up some broken lifetime units on ebay in need of PSU caps and/or hdd replacement.

    I have two brand new 2TB drives to play with, and one of the units already has a 2TB drive in it. I was thinking of testing by trying to break 2TB (TiB technically) with a dual drive setup, and pending results of that test, then purchasing a larger hard drive. I don't want to buy a 3TB or 4TB drive only to find out I have no use for it.

    I presently do not have an eSATA controller, and I have been for some time away from this game (last time I was regularly active here, hacking 6.2a to enable MRV was the big thing, that has been some time ago). Is there not some restriction for the TivoHD only being able to use a certain type of eSATA device?
     
  4. Mar 1, 2014 #4 of 57
    jmbach

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    Doing 2TB + 2TB should not be a problem. I think WinMFS can register a non supported external drive to the HD S3. I know it can do it to the OLED S3s. The OLED S3s are limited by a 32bit MFS so they can only address 2TB. The HD S3s have a 64bit MFS so they can go much larger and only limited by the fact a 32bit APM is still used in TiVo.
     
  5. Mar 2, 2014 #5 of 57
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    Can the 648s only address 2TB per drive, or only 2TB total?

    The 648 debuted with an eSATA port but it wasn't enabled. People figured out an unofficial way to enable it, so by the time TiVo themselves sent down a software update that would make adding an eSATA external "Plug and Play" they couldn't include the "official" and very short list of approved WD drive model numbers without breaking already working installations.

    But when the HD and HD XL came out, they had the list, and supposedly only drives on that list will be accepted, which means only a 500GB or a 1TB.

    Is there a way for the HD and HD XL to work around that list?
     
  6. Mar 2, 2014 #6 of 57
    CrashHD

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    When I get ahold of an eSATA enclosure, I suppose I will find out.

    I am not certain, but I believe the limitation to the officially supported expansion drives only pertains to use via plug and play installation. I believe manually configuring dual drive tivos can be done they same way it's always been done.
     
  7. Mar 2, 2014 #7 of 57
    jmbach

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    The 648 has a 32bit MFS and that is what limits it to around 2TB total external and internal space. That is an educated guess based on a 32bit file system limitations. I guess the easiest test would be for someone who already has a 2TB 648 try adding a 500GB or 1TB expander. If it works, then TiVo figured out away around that and you probably can have a 2TB + 2TB system. Kind of like the way they made a work around for the 32bit APM limitations in getting drives larger than 2TB to work but in the MFS realm. I would but I have fiddled with my TiVos so much, I promised my wife a lengthy break so she can record and watch her shows without interruption.
     
  8. Mar 2, 2014 #8 of 57
    jmbach

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    WinMFS can add an external drive. I'll have to go back and reread the instructions, but I believe it can add a non approved drive to an HD or HD XL.
     
  9. Mar 2, 2014 #9 of 57
    CrashHD

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    Getting closer. I just finished recapping the TivoHD that will be the testbed for this project. It is in the process of booting up, and looks like that repair will be successful. I was all set to start testing, but I got the phone call from my second job, and it's time to go drive the snow plow. :yuck:

    I still don't have an eSATA device, but I have a standard SATA cable, and a means of powering the second drive. I'm intending to test with that, as time permits.

    The snow is not too deep, hopefully it will plow quick and I'll still have an opportunity to test tonight. Not likely, but hopefully. I was really hoping to test this while still riding the high of the successful PSU repair.
     
  10. CrashHD

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    Snow was light, plowing went quick...testing tonight. Fingers crossed.
     
  11. CrashHD

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    The Tivo, a TivoHD (652) successfully booted with a single 2TB drive (not surprising). Adding a second 2TB drive via winMFS results in a reboot loop. At the end of the "almost there" screen, the screen blinks, goes dark for a few seconds like it normally does before going to the startup video, and comes back with a reboot instead.

    I don't know if it's just beyond the software capabilities, or perhaps requires a different expansion method. I may have to read up on this JMFS tool (I've been gone from this for a while, my skillset is not current).
     
  12. jmbach

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    Consider using MFSLive as well. In JMFS mfsadd.sh has an undocumented feature of adding a drive. Not sure if it is fully functional. One thing I would check is the MFS header and see what drives are listed there. There might be some inconsistencies.
     
  13. jmbach

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    Since you don't have an eSata connector/dock, how did you connect it to the TiVo.
     
  14. CrashHD

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    With the case open, I used a standard SATA power cable, and a separate power supply for the second hard drive. It sounds kind of rube goldberg, but I ran it like that for two weeks on a single hard drive, waiting for the digikey delivery and time to recap the PSU. With the bad caps on the PSU, it would reboot almost every half hour. Taking the load of powering the hard drive off the PSU, it would only reboot about once a day.

    I have a use for an eSATA enclosure anyway, and will try this again when I get one. Until I take one of these recapped, 2TB upgraded, lifetime units and flip it on ebay, my entire hobby budget is kind of tied up at the moment.
     
  15. jmbach

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    I can see a single hard drive hooked up that way, but how do you have 2 drives hooked up at the same time.
     
  16. CrashHD

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    Using a secondary power supply for the second drive, unplugging the eSATA connector on the back panel from the motherboard, and instead plugging a standard SATA cable into the 2nd eSATA port on the motherboard, and using that.

    As a last shot in the dark, I triggered a kickstart 57 last night. It ran overnight, and produced no results. I removed the second hard drive, rebooted, went through the "external storage missing" process, and it is has just now finished booting up and is at the Tivo Central screen, running solely on the 2TB internal drive.

    I'm open to suggestions. Right now, the next thing I think to try is to add a 2TB external to the 160GB original internal. This won't break 2TB, but will at least confirm I can use the 2TB drive when connected in this manner.
     
  17. jmbach

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    The other KS to try is 58. I agree that we need to check that adding a drive that way will work.
     
  18. backyard

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    I apologize if this is the wrong place to ask. I recently used jmfs to successfully upgrade a Premiere to 2Tb.

    Now I want to upgrade my TiVo HD S3(652) to a larger drive. It has already been upgraded to 1Tb. If I use WinMFS/expand/supersize and a new WD30EURX 3Tb drive will I:

    A. Still have only 1Tb of usable space
    B. Expand to 2Tb of usable space
    C. Expand beyond 2Tb of usable space, maybe 3Tb?
    D. Screw up the new drive
    E. Other?

    As much as I've read here I still can't predict what will happen.

    Thanks for any advice.
     
  19. jmbach

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    Before we go further, how did you upgrade the original drive? Did you use WinMFS or JMFS.
     
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