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Port Forwarding

Discussion in 'TiVo Stream' started by Aero 1, Dec 5, 2013.

  1. Dec 5, 2013 #1 of 29
    Aero 1

    Aero 1 Member

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    Has anyone been able to set the tivo stream to port forward in the system information menu? Ive forwarded the ports in my router, but i am not able to enable port forwarding in the Out-of-Home menu. every time i click the check box, the check dissapears. it will not let me select it. anyone else seeing this? thanks.
     
  2. Dec 5, 2013 #2 of 29
    Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    It's not ready yet. They said for now you have to use the proxy. Port forwarding wont be enabled until an update is released early next year.
     
  3. Dec 5, 2013 #3 of 29
    hooper

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    Tivo's slogan :eek:
     
  4. Dec 5, 2013 #4 of 29
    Aero 1

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    thanks. whats not ready about it? what do they have to do in order for my router to freely pass the bits to the stream? i dont see how they have to enable anything.
     
  5. Dec 5, 2013 #5 of 29
    Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I think it's more about how the iOS app contacts the Stream. Right now it sounds like it's hard coded to use TiVo's proxy for out of home streaming. It might also just be a setup issue. They may be working on a UPNP method for setting up port forwarding, like Slingbox uses, so customers don't have to figure out how to do it manually. Honestly I don't know exactly. All I know is Margret mentioned that port forwarding wont work until the update in a couple months.
     
  6. Dec 5, 2013 #6 of 29
    MikePA1

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    Aero 1 - Congrats on having the longest sig. :D

    Reminds me to visit User CP and disable them.
     
  7. jordinas

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    Port forwarding should be the basic standard configuration, uPNP the second choice and Proxy as a backup... My experience so far is that the proxy is slower than molasses - makes downloading any content when on the road effectively impossible.

    It is quite a pattern which TiVo has developed of releasing half-baked products... I jumped onto the premiere before it was ready, now onto the stream... I am really losing faith.
     
  8. eboydog

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    I'm trying to setup port forwarding on my Stream, but having a odd problem, when I disable proxy thought sysinfo screen I'm seeing the port forwarding config screen once or twice when I refresh but then it disappears.

    Any thoughts on this ???

    When the port forwarding cong screen appears briefly button by the time I try to type anything it appears to refresh a goes back the main sysinfo page.

    <<EDIT>>

    It's a web browser problem, it dawned on me that as I saw seeing the port forwarding screen for a moment that I should try a different browser, use Chrome so I fired up MS IE and now I see the advanced config page!
     
  9. eboydog

    eboydog Just TiVo'ing.....

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    Using Microsoft internet explorer I now get this screen but I'm finding the settings such as enabling port forwarding can't be changed. Is this just a web browser problem or is this something that really can't be changed.

    The only thing that I can disable is proxy??

    [​IMG]

    I suspect this has nothing to do with my issue of one of my Apple devices stuck in the idea the it's not on my home network and disables OOH on the Tivo app however I'm just trying anything to see if I can fix it!
     
  10. dianebrat

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    See Dan's post, 2nd in the thread..
     
  11. eboydog

    eboydog Just TiVo'ing.....

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    I just assumed they had made progress since this message thread was more than 4 months old esp after seeing the option but not being able to change it; I just thought it was a web browser problem since you can disable proxy.
     
  12. dianebrat

    dianebrat I refuse to accept your reality TCF Club

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    Nope, you'll see posts when the options get opened up, so far it hasn't changed.
     
  13. jimmypowder

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    Early next year !!??!??

    What a joke . That's slowwwwwwwwww.
     
  14. moyekj

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    Mission...
    Look at the dates - that was a reference to early this year which obviously didn't happen. It's very likely it will never happen...
     
  15. dianebrat

    dianebrat I refuse to accept your reality TCF Club

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    Why does it matter? you'll never use it, you have a slingbox you prefer :D
     
  16. jimmypowder

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    Well i would like to have a functional Tivo stream. I don't use it because its garbage compared to my Slingbox. Port forwarding enabling would likely rectify
    the problems I have had with Tivo ooh streaming.

    I did pay for a Roamio with built in stream after all.

    Actually ,I really am looking forward to the day when the Apple TV,Roku or the new Amazon box becomes either a functional cable box or offers a tv subscription package. All of them with Cloud DVR storage .It's gonna happen .
    Tivo may not have a pot to piss in when it does unless they change.
     
  17. jimmypowder

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    Why not? I don't understand.
     
  18. eboydog

    eboydog Just TiVo'ing.....

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    Enabling port forwarding allows for more reliable and faster streaming, the issue for having it enabled instead of proxy is that TiVo stepped into a bee's nest due to legal issues of content providers requirement of copyright protection. This is not a technical problem that Tivo can't fix, it's related to legal issues that they took for granted when they created the Stream product, just as the major holdup for Android Streaming support is the legal issue, not the technical issues that must be resolved. Those legal roadblocks,

    A secondary issue is home network support as once Tivo enables port forwarding for Stream, they will have to provide some level of support for the Internet routers that the Stream device is attached to. There are many cheap older residential home routers that don't support the configuration of port forwarding including many cable company provided home routers that don't allow user access to the router in order to preform advanced configurations.

    With all due respect to Slingbox fans, this legal aspect is only going to get worse and will eventually catch up to Slingbox, while Tivo has issues in some areas, blaming them for the policies of the network content providers and the movie studio lobbyists is something TiVo have no choice but to work with.
     
  19. jimmypowder

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    Thanks for your explanation. So Tivo is digital and Slingbox uses the analog inputs and that is why I can stream anything I want on a SLingbox? Who says they will close this analog hole?
     
  20. moyekj

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    It's just conjecture on my part. Look how ridiculously long it's taking to get Android Stream support in place, and that just have much higher priority than bypassing proxy server, which from TiVo point of view is a working solution right now. Plus TiVo would probably have to rely on UPnP for auto port forwarding solution to bypass need for proxy, but many routers handle UPnP differently which is another can of worms for TiVo to support. The other option is to let users manually setup port forwarding (which would be my personal preference), but I think there's zero chance of that happening since it's too complex for the average user to be expected to configure their router. So, given there are greater priorities and complexities involved I doubt bypassing proxy server is even on TiVo's radar right now. (Obviously there was some thought put into it before Stream was publicly released and TiVo decided against using auto port forwarding at that time for some reason in favor of a proxy server instead).
     

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