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Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by PHeadland, Oct 19, 2013.
I totally agree. I wouldn't use Carbonite now even if they gave it to me for free.
You should be more concerned about your viewing behavior, pauses, rewinds, etc. being sold for marketing purposes. I don't believe you can opt out of this feature. My understanding is that Tivo makes quite a bit on selling this information. However, I believe all providers do this, so unless you are moving away from TV and DVR altogether, get used to it.
Actually that does not bother me. I understand the possible privacy issues but they say they do not sell it with individual identification.
What bothers me is them messing with my user experience.
I suppose I could by a smart remote that adds a down arrow to pause and other actions but I would rather give the money to Tivo and make them more profitable.
They should be able to look at the revenue per subscriber for these ads and come up with a opt-out model.
There are plenty of vehicles for them to make profit with in-app purchases if they start going there.
Would it be acceptable for BMW to start showing popup ads on their nav screens?
Which is incredibly stupid. I have no idea why anyone would tolerate that. Having ads in content is OK, but making them unskippable on a PAID service is not.
Not directed to your post...
Anyway, we all know ads on TiVo are not going away. The issue is that they have made them much more annoying on the pause ads by making them bigger and with a larger/dark background. The immediate answer is to use the SPSP code to skip it. But complaining about them is perfectly valid. They are no longer unobtrusive and if people don't complain, it is highly probable this is just the start of them becoming even more annoying in the future.
My Garmin GPS on my motorcycle now has maps that are more than 2 years old and every 4th time it is powered on, they spam me with messages saying how I should PAY FOR UPDATED MAPS. There is no way to disable the message. I find it completely annoying and inappropriate. It doesn't matter that is "just one more key press", it is ANNOYING and makes me angry every time. And for that reason, I told Garmin that not only would I *NEVER* pay for updates now, I will never buy one of their products again AND I will tell everyone I know asking me about GPS products about what they did.
Same thing happened at work. We have a call accounting system and the support contract lapsed after we had been paying for 4 years. Now it has a huge red banner on all our reports saying "THIS DATA MIGHT NOT BE ACCURATE BECAUSE YOUR SUPPORT CONTACT HAS ENDED". I called them to ask them to remove it from our 100% paid software license, they said they could not. I told them not to expect us to EVER pay for support now and that we would be budgeting to replace their software at our next opportunity. I also called our distributor and told them the whole story also and posted it on a review site.
Negatively changing the functionality of something you already fully bought with nags or annoyances unless you pay for something else and without prior full disclosure is EXTORTION.
I agree that the current advertising revenue is negligible (not material) according to their financial reports. But they've always had great plans for targeted advertising. Over 10 years ago they were predicting 1/3 of their revenue would be ads.
As I've said before, my view is the target for these ads is not us, but cable company execs. They're showing cable companies the advertising potential they'll have if they choose TiVo as their company's DVR.
Interesting idea... and one that I could live with - as long as there wasn't a constant stream of ads to replace the ones I thumbed down.
As long as my viewing behavior is anonymous, I don't mid if TiVo makes money off of it. It's the stuff that gets in my way that pisses me off (annoying popups, gold stars and lost screen real estate).
I agree with your thought regarding TiVo "advertising" their "advertising system" to the cable companies. It's being a beta tester, by force, that bothers me.
The 2x larger ad bar now shown when paused may just be a sign of worse things to come in the future. The size of the ads may just continue to grow until they reach the point of taking up the full screen, which may then include multiple banner ads, links to watch video commercials, or even worse, automatically showing video commercials while you are on pause.
If I put the TiVo on Pause, it's because I have to leave the room, so I wouldn't call this 'even worse' since I won't see a TiVo video commercial.
Many of us put the TiVo on pause because we're in the same room and we want to focus on something else. Like a conversation (in person or on the phone.)
They are going to continue to grow. It's inevitable. I really hope TiVo offers us a way out... without having to leave for good.
I use pause for what you described, and also to get a better look at something onscreen.
Will pressing Clear when on pause remove the ad?
Yes it does which is why it's not really as big a deal as some make it out to be.
Exactly, when I hit pause to look at something I always hit clear anyways to remove the progress bar so it's no different with the ad there or not. I don't even notice them anymore.
Better yet if you have a Harmony program CLEAR Into pause and it's still one button press. Not a big deal at all. Some people just like to complain.
Nah, if I'm gonna do that, I'd rather just use the SPSP code. That way the solution is "remote independent." I like being able to use the original TiVo remote (or the Bluetooth Slide remote, in another room) from time to time.