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Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by PHeadland, Oct 19, 2013.

  1. Oct 21, 2013 #61 of 274
    Devx

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    These same ads have been around for a while now. Is it the size of the pop-up? If it were reduced in size to the SDUI popup would everyone find it as intrusive?
     
  2. Oct 21, 2013 #62 of 274
    crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    Yes, that is the trigger that is causing people to be upset (and rightfully so). And the idea that if TiVo can make the ads larger it indicates it could also lead to more ads, more frequently, in more places, and with additional annoyances.
     
  3. Oct 21, 2013 #63 of 274
    ptr727

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    I opened a case with support to complain about the intrusive ad.
    They said they can opt me out of most ads, but not all.
    Waiting to receive confirmation if opting out applies to this type of ad.
     
  4. Oct 21, 2013 #64 of 274
    CrispyCritter

    CrispyCritter Purple Ribbon Wearer

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    I think the answer is undeniably "yes", even independent of whether or not it convinces the cable companies to use TiVo.

    TiVo is spending, and has spent, many millions of dollars developing targeted advertising and audience profiling and measurement. The goal from the beginning (15 years ago) was for that to contribute about a third of revenue eventually. Unfortunately, TiVo never got the necessary number of machines out there for this to ever get off the ground. Now, with the adoption of TiVo by the smaller cable companies, they're getting the numbers to put their plans into action. Both they and the cable companies are interested in this.

    So even if they lose a bit in the stand-alone market with these ads, they are advancing their long-term plans. They've spent a lot more money than that on targeted advertising, so far unproductively.
     
  5. Oct 22, 2013 #65 of 274
    steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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    What are these pause ads that everyone's griping about? :p ;)


    I for one am glad TiVo gave us a backdoor code that dismisses the pause ad. They certainly didn't have to do that, and they could disable it at any time.

    IOW, count your blessings? :D
     
  6. Oct 22, 2013 #66 of 274
    davezatz

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    Perhaps one of the many reasons TiVo dropped below 1 million retail subscribers for the first time since 2004. Having said that, Roamio is way better than Premiere and they should get a nice subscriber bounce/resurgence. But the updated pause menu ads are disgusting.
     
  7. Oct 22, 2013 #67 of 274
    jrtroo

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    Is there a picture of these new and terrible ads around? On my older boxes, I never even recognized they were there except when someone new got a box and complained. So, how are they so much worse on a Roamio?
     
  8. Oct 22, 2013 #68 of 274
    DCIFRTHS

    DCIFRTHS I dumped SDV / cable

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    Correct. It's annoying.
     
  9. Oct 22, 2013 #69 of 274
    DCIFRTHS

    DCIFRTHS I dumped SDV / cable

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    Please post back - I'm curious to know if it works.
     
  10. Oct 22, 2013 #70 of 274
    jmpage2

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    What code are you talking about that applies to the discussion at hand?
     
  11. Oct 22, 2013 #71 of 274
    moyekj

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    SPSPS (NOTE: Trickier to enable compared to all other SPS codes).
     
  12. Oct 23, 2013 #72 of 274
    kbmb

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    Ok so now I am seeing where these ads are affecting the user experience:

    I have a folder with 2 shows in it. I go into the folder and below the 2 shows you see a line for the Carbonite ad. Now, the ad takes a second to load.

    Where I can see a usability issue is:

    I went into the bottom show in the list to view the detail screen. I wanted to click back and up to go back to the list and up to the top show in the list. I can do this, but right after I click up (to highlight the top show), the page refreshes to display the ad and now my highlighted show is the bottom one again.

    No, it's not earth shattering......but still, I want the interface to not get in my way with ads.

    -Kevin
     
  13. Oct 23, 2013 #73 of 274
    gcondrey

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    Add me to the list. The ads wouldn't be so bad if you could dismiss them and they wouldn't come back for 24 hours or so. It's the every time I pause thing that gets pretty annoying.
     
  14. Oct 23, 2013 #74 of 274
    aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    I haven't seen a delay in the ad showing up. When the list of shows populates, the ad was there at the bottom right away. At least this was the case last night. I looked just now and I don't see the ad listed in any of the folders I looked at any more.
     
  15. Oct 23, 2013 #75 of 274
    kbmb

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    I tried multiple times after it first occurred. By going into the details and back out. I'd say at least 7 out of 10 times the ad line took a second to show up. This is similar to the delete/keep box at the end of a recording.....the ad shows up a split second after the box does.

    Doesn't really matter if it always happens or only happens once....get the damn ads away from the core functionality of the box.

    Can't wait for the day when Tivo starts doing:

    Show name
    Show name
    ad
    Show name
    ad
    Show name

    -Kevin
     
  16. Oct 23, 2013 #76 of 274
    Grakthis

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    Well, it seems we have someone who literally said they didn't care about TiVo's profitability, they just wanted their 2 lbs of flesh that they believe they paid for. That's what I was responding to. That's unacceptable.

    I don't want ads on my TV either. I don't want to watch commercials. But if I am shown that I can either have X with commercials, or not have X, I am going to take X with commercials. How much I paid for X initially is irrelevant.

    For example, my kindle fire has ads on it. I paid like $120 dollars for the thing... but it has ads. I accepted that because it was either that, or pay more money to rid of the ads.

    TiVo is not giving you a "pay more money to opt out" option. But presumably, there could be one, in theory, if not for the engineering time they would have to put in to that.

    If TiVo were making a lot of profit, I think we'd have a valid complaint about them squeezing out every dime of ad revenues they could. But they aren't. So we don't. We can either deal with it, and it's the cost of TiVo ownership for TiVo to stay in business, or walk away. Those are your choices.
     
  17. Oct 23, 2013 #77 of 274
    Grakthis

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    I already have to do this, to get rid of the pause bar. It's always in the way.

    Pause + clear. That's the routine. Every time.
     
  18. Oct 23, 2013 #78 of 274
    Grakthis

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    Ah, now THAT'S a good question.

    I don't find them that annoying, but how many people have to find them annoying before it stops being worth it?

    Companies have been asking this questions for a really long time.

    i think Amazon's "with offers!" model, for example, gives the "opt out" just so you have it. I don't know anyone who has ever taken it. Just the fact that it EXISTS makes people go "ok, so, I don't HAVE to look at the ads... but I will, because money." But when you don't offer that, it makes people go "JUUUUUUSSSSSTICEEEEEEE! FREEEDOMOMMMMMMMM!!!! I AM SO MADDDDDDD!!!!!!"

    We just want options to make suboptimal choices, even if we don't make them!
     
  19. Oct 23, 2013 #79 of 274
    jmpage2

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    The difference in getting the non-ads version of the Kindle is $15-$20. You were actually too cheap to pay that pittance to avoid annoying ads but you'll pay hundreds for a TiVo? Wow.

    The comparison with TiVo would be that someone bought a Kindle/iPad, which maybe had web advertising that the person expected, and then they added pop-up ads when you are running apps, etc.

    Many many people would find this annoying and rightfully so.

    TiVo should offer an option to opt-out for those of us that are annoyed by the new ads, because it did not exist when we bought the product.

    I might be the person you were referring to who was 'not concerned' about TiVo profitability. It is the companies responsibility to make products that are marketable to large numbers of customers and turn a profit. It's NOT up to the consumer to wring their hands about whether a price-cut, change in marketing, etc, is going to result in their beloved company going kaput... that is for TiVo upper management and board of directors to worry about.
     
  20. Oct 23, 2013 #80 of 274
    Jeremy5

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    Anyone who wanted a picture of the Carbonite ads...
     

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