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Poll for TiVo's next line of DVRs

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by buscuitboy, Apr 24, 2013.

What will Tivo's next line of DVRs be like

Poll closed Mar 17, 2014.
  1. updated 4-tuner cable only model

    10 vote(s)
    7.5%
  2. 6-tuner digital cable only model

    61 vote(s)
    45.5%
  3. 6-tuner hybrid DVR (cable & OTA support)

    33 vote(s)
    24.6%
  4. 4-tuner DVR (cable & OTA support)

    27 vote(s)
    20.1%
  5. 7 (or more) tuners of some kind

    3 vote(s)
    2.2%
  1. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I know the Mini got pushed and that upset you, but historically TiVo doesn't have that bad a reputation for slipping. The Stream was released on time. The current Premiere was released without anyone even knowing it was coming. The TiVo HD too. The S3 unit was released on time as well. While they have slipped on a few software releases, and the Mini, it's hardly enough to judge it as a given.

    Also we have in fact gotten clues and rumors "for sure". The FCC filing specifically mentions that they want to have these new units to market by the holiday season this year. We also got information from someone with an inside source, who was right about the Mini, that there would be a 6 tuner unit coming this fall before the FCC filing was public. So there are some pretty strong clues and rumors that a new unit will be coming this fall. Could it slip? Sure. Is it guaranteed to? No. If it's based on the same platform as the Pace 6 tuner box, which is highly likely, then that means it's been in development for over a year already so the hardware is likely ready to go. They just have to wait for the FCC to approve their request so they can start producing them for retail. The 4 tuner OTA box is still pretty much all conjecture at this point, but I still think it's likely given the hard stance TiVo has taken on the Mini requiring a box with at least 4 tuners.
     
  2. NotNowChief

    NotNowChief Addicted to TiVo

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    Eh, it wasn't so much that it upset me, as that I couldn't believe what took so long. It was laughable that they announced it and showed it at CES, and then took that much longer to go on sale.

    When the Premiere launched it had an unreal amount of HDUI issues, I see the Mini has alot of various issues in the Mini forum, the Stream still can only work with Apple, so looking at their last 3 efforts on products, I can't help but NOT believe that anything will be on sale by the end of the year, and will be done in traditional "Tivo fashion". Late and incomplete. While we all rampantly discuss it here.

    That's just my opinion.
     
  3. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    The Premiere was a completely new platform with a completely new UI which turned out to be way more ambitious then they expected. I agree it was a bit of a disaster, but I think they learned that it's better to release late then broken, which may be what happened with the Mini.

    The Stream came out when expected with exactly the features that were expected. Android support was never promised or demonstrated and wasn't even announced until well after the Stream was released. Also, I've explained this in the Stream forum, but there were technical limitations to the Android platform that made it impossible to support Android at launch. So counting that as some sort of TiVo failure is not really fair.

    I'm not sure what happened with the Mini. I have it on pretty good authority that it was actually ready for launch in the Fall of 2012. So either they had some sort of production delay or they found a last minute flaw that had to be addressed before it was released. I'm not sure if we'll ever know exactly what happened there. But given the debacle of the Premiere I think they were probably wise to hold it back until it was actually ready.

    That being said I don't think the software on these new units will be any different then what we have now. It's not like they are building a new platform, this is just a hardware refresh akin to the TiVo HD vs the S3. They'll need to do some work on the back end to make it work with the new hardware, but the front end will run the same HDUI we're using now. So it's unlikely it will be "incomplete" because there is really nothing to complete. The only thing I could see possibly getting delayed is the built in Stream capabilities, and we don't even know for sure that those will exist. Other then that it's probably going to run the same exact software we're running on our Premiere units right now.
     
  4. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    All the screens are still not using the HDUI so the HDUI is still incomplete.
     
  5. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    True, but most screens that people use all the time are now in HD, adjustment that are made very few times like the cable card menu don't have to be in HD, (Kids control may be the only exception, if that even included in the next model) the next TiVo IMHO will not have a SDUI available just like the Mini.
     
  6. Bigg

    Bigg Active Member

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    Probably 70+% of the content I watch isn't available on OTA. So OTA wouldn't do me much good. I'd be left basically with PBS. Oh, and no basketball either, since SNY owns the contracts for my team, and a few games go to ESPN. No news talk shows on MSNBC. No John Stewart and Steven Colbert. No HBO. It would suck.

    Correct. OTA DVRs are a tiny market, at least at $500. If they were selling for $100, then it would be a different story.

    That's actually a good prediction.

    There are a number of them. Can't think off the top of my head, but I get kicked back fairly often. No excuse for that.
     
  7. mattack

    mattack Active Member

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    (BTW, your allusion is incorrect.. It was Flavor Aid..)

    Plus, *you* are the one who is in denial. The proportion of people using OTA only is VERY small. Most people ARE willing to pay for cable/satellite.

    Would I have preferred my Premiere 4 support OTA? Yes, and I probably would have paid a bit more for it had it done so.. But I still bought it even though I realized I would be “stuck” with cable.
     
  8. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    People on this forum (like you and me) may go more often to SD screens but most users don't ever see the SD screen after the full setup of their Premiere.
     
  9. Worf

    Worf Active Member

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    Sep 15, 2000
    Something with high-def analog inputs would be killer - so I can feed the output of the HD cable box or U-verse or whatever into it and live with TiVo UI, control and scheduling of the video.

    That's what I'd really want and what I have Windows Media Center currently doing. I prefer TiVo though.
     
  10. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    In the ATL
    Wishlists are still SD, and I'd bet those are used all the time. But maybe Tivo has metrics that say otherwise so they didn't bother with doing it last fall when they did most of what is used. I find it odd that SPs were done but not WLs however.

    The real shame of the Premiere launch is the complete disconnect between the hardware and software sides of the house at Tivo, because they had to know the HDUI would be a dog on that platform. It's sad that we'll end up waiting almost 4 years to get a box that can decently run something that should have been taken for granted.
     
  11. buscuitboy

    buscuitboy New Member

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    I would love to see this option as well. It would FINALLY be a way for UVerse to work with TiVo. I used to do something like this with my old Series 2 (DT) unit. Actually, I did it with my TiVo S2 & a Comcast digital box. It allowed me to manually record OnDemand material into my TiVo (via its inputs). I could then multi-room transfer it to any the other TiVos in my network. It was SD only and a rough way of getting OnDemand material with a TiVo, but it worked.

    If they did provide HD analog inputs, the only downfall of course is it would basically limit the TiVo unit to just ONE tuner. When they are probably gonna have at least 4 (or more) tuners in their next line of DVRs & this is the overall direction of the industry, I can't see them considering this option. Would still be great to see.
     
  12. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    Analog is going away. They already started eliminating them from disc players and other devices are also doing the same. Each year less and less devices will be produced with analog outputs or inputs.
     
  13. innocentfreak

    innocentfreak Active Member

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    Most shows aren't on multiple channels which is the only time I use wishlists so I wouldn't be surprised if most people don't use them. I would guess TiVo has the data on how many WLs are out there compared to Season Passes.
     
  14. Worf

    Worf Active Member

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    Cableboxes still have 'em. That's all that matters. (There are also conveniently devices to take HDMI-HDCP and convert them to analog). At least analog capture won't have to deal with copyright bits, copy restrictions, etc.

    I suppose with a bit of careful IR work or serial channel switchers, you can have multiple tuners supported on one TiVo as well, as long as each box can be changed independently.

    Hell, I'd like to see it as an option. Even if it's a USB attachment you plug into a TiVo.
     
  15. SnakeEyes

    SnakeEyes Active Member

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    The poll does not show us that. The poll is not asking what we want/prefer in the next DVR, the poll is asking what we think the next DVR will be.
     
  16. innocentfreak

    innocentfreak Active Member

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    What the poll is asking and how people vote isn't always the same.
     
  17. Troy J B

    Troy J B Lucky 200 Member

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    I picked 6-tuner digital cable only model, because that's what I want.
    I expect they will also release a 4-tuner DVR (cable & OTA support) model.
     
  18. SnakeEyes

    SnakeEyes Active Member

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    Correct. However, either an assumption is being on how people are voting with no evidence to support that assumption or the previous poster misread the poll.
     
  19. DawnW

    DawnW New Member

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    I don't really care if it is 4 or 6, but I do hope to get something that will work with an OTA antenna.
     
  20. dustyz

    dustyz New Member

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    I went with the 6 tuner model, but I'm hoping for the 4 tuner OTA/cable model.

    I just purchased my Tivo Premiere in February. I dropped cable/satellite not because I couldn't afford it, or because I'm poor, but because I couldn't justify the expense. It would hit over $50 regularly, without any movie channels, without a DVR, and only one receiver. If I didn't call DirecTV every 6 months to get the rate reduced, it would gradually move up to $70. It's crazy.

    So, the Tivo has been a life saver. I bought an antenna... pick up a good 20+ channels in rural KY, from stations 50+ miles away, and have access to both netflix and my Amazon videos. If a new series pops up on cable, I download the first episode from Amazon, push it to the Tivo, and decide if I want to purchase the series. Even when doing so, with the 3 or 4 cable shows we do subscribe to, our TV bill is cut nearly in half. Plus, unlike our previous setup, I can push videos from our collection straight to the Tivo with pytivo running from a Raspberry Pi. That is awesome.

    My point is, I wouldn't have a Tivo if it weren't for the OTA feature. We just don't need it. Honestly tho, I don't need 4 tuners either. I am fine with the current OTA Premiere. However...

    My biggest hope, with the next generation of devices, is the hardware and UI gets a major boost. The Guide is great, a little slow sometimes, but tolerable. The UI for netflix and youtube is horrible. We don't want a Roku, or have a Blu-Ray player to supplement the feature, we'd love for Tivo to offer that. I know it's difficult to be the all-in-one device Tivo wants it to be, but they are close to having something really amazing. (I'd love to see a ESPN3 app included too, while we are on the topic.)
     

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