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Poll:Best Big Brother or Survivor (or other Reality Show) player ever!

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Steveknj, Aug 26, 2013.

Best BB or Survivor (or other) reality player ever

  1. Boston Rob (Survivor)

    40 vote(s)
    46.0%
  2. Dan (BB)

    16 vote(s)
    18.4%
  3. Dr. Will (BB)

    11 vote(s)
    12.6%
  4. Russell (Survivor)

    3 vote(s)
    3.4%
  5. Mike Boogie (BB)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Richard Hatch (Survivor)

    6 vote(s)
    6.9%
  7. Parvati (Survivor)

    6 vote(s)
    6.9%
  8. Evil Dick (BB)

    1 vote(s)
    1.1%
  9. Other

    4 vote(s)
    4.6%
  1. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

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    I think Richard Hatch is kind of like whoever came out with the first digital MP3 player...he "invented" the way the game is generally played, but he wasn't the absolute best at it. Guys like Rob or Dr. Will or Dan are more like Apple's invention of the iPod. They took the foundation that Hatch created and perfected it. Hatch was the inventor, but others implemented and tweaked it so that it was even better.
     
  2. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

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    The problem with Russell, is his game was fairly one-dimensional (ok, maybe 2 dimensional). He really had a great strategy game, but a HORRIBLE social game. That's what BR learned by his fourth try. You can't win just on doing one thing well (but you can get far). Dan won the first time because he had BOTH a great social and amazing strategy skills. His second game, I just think he was too driven to get to the end and he lost sight of the social part. But you know, with another jury, he might have won.
     
  3. betts4

    betts4 I am Spartacus!

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    A Galaxy...
    Boston Rob.

    No question. Sexy, smart, thinking ahead, playing the ends against the middle and funny.
     
  4. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

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    Sexy makes you a great player?
     
  5. betts4

    betts4 I am Spartacus!

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    Yes. :p
     
  6. heySkippy

    heySkippy oldweakandpathetic

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    I don't get all the votes for Boston Rob. Yeah, he's fun to watch, but he's not that good at the game.
     
  7. sburnside1

    sburnside1 New Member

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    This. Sandra has won Survivor twice, and most people would still not recognize her or would marginalize her wins.

    If she were to go on a third time, no one would even consider her a threat. Try saying that about anyone on the list. She could play middle ground all the way to a third victory.
     
  8. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

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    I have no argument with this. But the fact I've completely forgotten about her, despite her winning twice means that perhaps she won more because of circumstance than game play.

    On the other hand, I've also felt that if you've never won either of these games, then you really can't be considered one of it's greatest players. People like Rupert or Russell on Survivor or Janelle and Kayser on BB to me aren't great players. Great personalities sure, but their game play never got them to victory.
     
  9. Hcour

    Hcour Member

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    Not sure about the "best" but I thought winner Yul Kwon played a fantastic game of Survivor in S13 and he did so with a minimum of backstabbing and deceit.
     
  10. tivoboyjr

    tivoboyjr Unregistered User

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    Not a fan of the Sandra Diaz type of Survivor winners. They ride the coattails of stronger players and win by default. I think Danni Boatright is an underrated winner. She was down to a tribe of one, and she had to win every challenge - and she did.

    I stopped watching BB several seasons ago. The best I saw was Dr Will, who I don't think would have had a chance on Survivor.
     
  11. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

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    And I don't think Sandra would have much chance on BB. It's a lot harder to play a coattails game in BB than Survivor, simply because of the structure of how players get voted off. I think you can get to a certain level playing coattails in BB, but it's usually hard to win unless you made a move somewhere.
     
  12. bryhamm

    bryhamm randomize

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    I respectfully disagree with the bolded. Ask most poker pros who is the current greatest and I bet Phil Ivey is mentioned more than any other pro, yet he's never one the main event. The patriots 16-0 regular season team was arguably better than the giants, but they didn't win the SB. You don't really have to win the whole thing to be considered the greatest imo.

    While I acknowledge those who say that Russell wasn't that good because he lacked the social part of the game, the blonde who won in Russell's first season was really not that good imo. She "won" because the jury was bitter at Russell ... which is fine, but clearly to me does not make her a good winner.
     
  13. bryhamm

    bryhamm randomize

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    Agreed. As did Brian H (the used car salesman).
     
  14. MonsterJoe

    MonsterJoe ♪♫♪♪♫♪♫♫♪

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    Nothing arguable about that. A catches a ball with his head one time...ONE TIME!


    TYREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
     
  15. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

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    Well I respectfully disagree with your disagreement :) I have no idea about the poker thing, since I don't watch, but the idea of all these games is to win the money at the end. If you didn't win the money, your game was flawed. The Pats example, while you could argue that they were better than the Giants, in the end they didn't win. So in my book, they aren't better than quite a few past Super Bowl winners. Their game was flawed in that they couldn't stop the pass rush when it mattered. The Giants, at the time of the Super Bowl, were a better, more well rounded team. You could equate that in Survivor or BB terms to the player who plays in the background most of the game and makes their big moves toward the end. It's actually a good strategy, provided you just didn't luck into winning. In the end, Russell may be a great player, but we are talking about the BEST. How can you be the BEST if you didn't win? I don't know Poker, but would Phil Ivey, today's best player be the best EVER having not won a major? Would Tiger Woods be considered one of the greatest golfers had he not ever won a major? Could those 16-0 Patriots have beaten the '85 Bears? The early 90s Cowboys? The 1970s Steelers? Those teams are the greatest ever, because they were not only great in the regular season, but they won Championships.
     
  16. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

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    I actually picked Brian H to win that season very early on. You could see he was thinking a step ahead of everyone the whole game. He has to be considered here, but I put him behind the others because they played other seasons. Not sure why Brian never came back.
     
  17. Dnamertz

    Dnamertz New Member

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    So if its winning that defines greatness, then the debate is over...Sandra is the best hands down because no one else won BB or Survivor twice.

    However, I don't agree with this. Sandra won twice which is the end goal, but there was nothing impressive or great about her gameplay. To me, just going on these shows and being non-threatening or nice might get you the victory but its not impressive. Heck, I can do that.

    Sandra's 2 victories are not as impressive as other contestants who have only won once. And some players who have never won are more impressive than some players who have won once. Sometimes jury voting is unpredictable. There have been BB players (Boogie and Evel Dick) who played worse social games than Dan did last year, but they won and Dan did not.
     
  18. Dnamertz

    Dnamertz New Member

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    I would love to see CBS take an all-star BB cast and have them play Survivor and take an all-star Survivor cast and have them play BB.
     
  19. tivoboyjr

    tivoboyjr Unregistered User

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    I thought Janelle from Dr Will-era BB would have done well on Survivor. She was very good at the physical challenges. (Also looked great in a bikini.) But that was 10 years or so ago. I doubt she'd do as well now.
     
  20. Ment

    Ment Active Member

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    Janelle/Frank/Aaryn would do well in Survivor. Aaryn would probably be a Survivor darling since all her racist crap wouldn't make it out of camp. Conversely, we'd see BR/Russell in their a-holeness 24/7 :)
     

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