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Plus/Pro owners, would you buy add-on OTA tuner?

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by Dan203, Apr 1, 2014.

Would you buy an external OTA tuner?

  1. Yes

    69 vote(s)
  2. Maybe, depends on price

    41 vote(s)
  3. No, I don't need it

    55 vote(s)
  1. aridon

    aridon Member

    Aug 31, 2006
    Price I'd pay depends on what it does. $99 to $150 I guess.

    Direct connect to my existing unit.

    Yes I would get one.
  2. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

    Feb 5, 2011
    Cox Cable...
    At first that seemed a bit high to be willing to pay. Then I thought not so bad, as long as TiVo doesn't make you pay a subscription fee for a tuner, should they ever offer an add-on one. Also, as you said "depends on what it does" (number of tuners, mix cable w/OTA concurrently, selectable number for each, total number).

    Such a product could possibly result in no need to keep making the odd form-factor plastic base model Roamios in the future. I guess I just don't like that they don't stack, or even blend-in all that well. Can't set a Tuning Adapter on one without scratching the hell out of the plastic, and the domed top causing TA overheating, etc...
  3. astrohip

    astrohip Active Member TCF Club

    Jan 6, 2003
    Houston &...
    You're still at this? YOU first raised the Mini issue, not me. Don't blame me for thread drift. You claimed the Mini goes belly-up in certain situations, I refuted it. That doesn't mean "my configuration" works, it means the Mini works.

    You have an amazing ability to really irritate people with your responses. I've noticed how often people will jump all over something you've said (myself included), only for you to get defensive and claim "that wasn't your intention". Since you clearly aren't going to change your style, it's time for me to slink away.

  4. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

    Feb 5, 2011
    Cox Cable...

    All three of my Roamios are pretty much "belly-up" right now and in C133 lockdown, while everything else on my network is just fine and fully internet functional. The long version is where it belongs, in the official TiVoMargret Spring Update announcement & discussion thread.

    My post: http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=10067853#post10067853

    The TivoMargret OP thread link: http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=516208

    Confirmation of it not being limited to me: http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=10067859#post10067859

    I'm trying to politely find my way out of the drift, but also am noticing that the number of poll participants bumps up with each new post, which is a good thing. The more that notice the poll and participate, the better.

    Any ideas on keeping the poll participants coming, without diluting the relevant posts in this thread, anybody?
  5. ncfoster

    ncfoster Member

    Jan 22, 2011
    I like the idea of the option. Sadly, I think it is unrealistic given Tivo's track record.

    I could see an outside chance of them offering Mini-like functionality on a Roamio, allowing it to stream one network-based (and Tivo-branded) tuner. I say this simply because they have the Mini software in place, so they might be able to repurpose it on the parent boxes.

    I had an HDhomerun Prime before I got my Mini, and while it did some things that I appreciated, the Mini setup has a much higher WAF, and I can't see Tivo possibly tying into 3rd-party products like that. Tivo pretty much has its own ecosystem. Anything outside of Tivo (and iOS, I suppose) is unsupported at best.

    Also, like most things Tivo has not done yet, it could easily be a patent issue. I presume that DirecTV might have a patent on the externally connected OTA tuner of some sort. I also presume that they have a patent related to the manner in which they do padding. And I know when I had a ReplayTV, it would schedule recordings on another box on the network if all tuners were tied up (something I am pretty confident, Tivos can't do). Many of these things seem like they would be no-brainers if not for patent issues.

    EDIT: I guess the other way they could go would be to rip more of the guts out of a base Roamio, and sell that, but make the service on it cheap or free for OTA-only. But, I don't think you'll ever see the quick tuner-swapping that you get from the integrated tuners, no matter what.
  6. NSPhillips

    NSPhillips New Member

    May 31, 2007
    I would have some interest in playing around with an antenna to see what I could receive, but I am lucky enough to have FIOS, which offers every sub-channel I care about and good picture quality on locals. I am probably too far out to get good results from an indoor antenna and I'm too lazy to try to set up an outdoor antenna.

    If FIOS didn't offer certain channels, I might pay $50 to try to add OTA.
  7. malverde

    malverde New Member

    Mar 12, 2007

    I think I would prefer USB and support 4 - 6 tuners. But beggars can not be choosers.
  8. krkaufman

    krkaufman Active Member

    Nov 25, 2003
    I actually came to the TCF looking for a thread discussing whether TiVo supported third-party (but fully vetted) tuners.

    Given that TiVo *still* hasn't gotten around to providing a merged interface for a multi-DVR network (i.e. even multiple DVRs of the same model type) -- including merged show listings, conflict resolution, etc. -- the ability to add additional tuners via USB or networking would seem to be the ideal solution.

    The single Roamio with networked Minis approach would be enhanced greatly by having the flexibility to beef-up or adapt a Roamio's tuning capabilities as one's needs change.
  9. poppagene

    poppagene User

    Dec 29, 2001
    I have the roamio base model and use it for OTA currently, but would appreciate the option of a usb OTA tuner if the price were reasonable. If I decided to subscribe to cable, I would find it difficult being forced to choose between the cable and the ota setup for the base roamio. In a similar manner to the pro and plus owners, I would appreciate being able to setup tivo for cable and still have ota tuner add on. 4 tuners total between ota and cable would likely be more than enough for me.
  10. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

    Jan 31, 2002
    But typically with cable, you have the same channels available that you can get from OTA. So OTA would be more of a backup. At least this is how I mostly use my OTA Roamio Basic since I also have a Roamio Pro on FiOS. Or for the handful of times I need seven or eight concurrent recordings.
  11. poppagene

    poppagene User

    Dec 29, 2001
    My understanding is that cable doesn't carry all of the sub channels. And with a decent antenna I'm able to get out of market OTA channels. Additionally the main channels OTA are not as highly compressed as on cable.
  12. jwbelcher

    jwbelcher New Member

    Nov 13, 2007
    Orlando, FL
    I like what krkaufman proposed with a merged interface for multi-dvrs in home. I'd be pretty stoked if I could add additional DVRs like a blade to add tuner and storage capacity (Enterprise DVR?). I don't need to know which box records it, nor where is saved. I'd be inclined to buy more units, if the UI merged all these boxes into a single view. Even better if one could be OTA.
  13. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

    May 6, 2002
    I haven't noticed any missing.
  14. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

    Jan 31, 2002
    I guess it depends on the area. In my area FiOS seems to carry them all.
  15. filovirus

    filovirus New Member

    Aug 22, 2013
    The reason I bumped up to the Plus was hard disk size and no component out for my slingbox 350. I figure if I ever cut the cord, I will just sell my Pro and Plus and opt for what ever is OTA at that time.
  16. gfgray

    gfgray New Member

    Mar 14, 2004
    I have the basic, but I really wanted all the additional features of the plus/pro (including better airflow for stacking equipment). But they didn't have OTA.
  17. nycityuser

    nycityuser New Member

    Dec 30, 2004
    New York, NY
    Yes, I would buy such a device if it were under $100. Two tuners dedicated to OTA would be fine.

    I have a Roamio Pro but still keep my TiVo HD connected to cable and OTA as a backup. I rarely record OTA but have done so when the cable goes out. I have FIOS so that doesn't happen often.
  18. tluxon

    tluxon New Member

    Feb 28, 2002
    Kirkland, WA
    Our TiVos (2 lifetime S4's and one subscription Premiere) are the primary boxes we use because they are so user-simple, but we just started getting hit with an extra $10 a month for each of the three M-Stream CableCARDs. The fact that our monthly payment to Comcast (the only cable game in town) is second only to our food bill and this is the appreciation they give us in return has gotten me ready to put everything back on their doorstep but for my unhealthy addiction to live sports.

    I've been anticipating the day I would get enough resolve to tell Comcast to take their overpriced services elsewhere, so for nearly 1-1/2 years I've been running Windows Media Center with a 3-tuner HDHomeRun Prime (cable only) and 2 HDHomeRun Duals (2 OTA-tuners each) on my PC and a 6 HDD (many TBs of multimedia) fileserver. With this arrangement there are no monthly fees other than the CableCARD rental for the HDHR Prime. It's not as dead-simple as the TiVo and other room control is a little more challenging without buying extenders (like the XBox360).

    The bottom line is that if we're going to stick with cable, I feel we've got to get a better bang-for-the-buck solution than having to pay for three CableCARDs serving only 2-tuners each. This could entail going with something like a 6-tuner Roamio, but currently that becomes a paperweight or someone else's property if we ever say farewell to cable. I probably wouldn't go that direction unless I had the added capability for it to work with our HDHomeRun Duals.

    So I guess the answer to the original question is yes, I would buy an external tuner because I already have them and would love to be able to use them on any TiVo. That would be the best of all worlds and would have me buying a Roamio yesterday.
  19. Beryl

    Beryl Active Member

    Feb 22, 2009
    Right there.

    Xfinity only provided limited SD service to my house for a couple of weeks and I learned to appreciate the beauty, convenience, and variety of OTA channels via my Premiere and HDLX. My Plus was pretty useless since I had a Roku and Apple TV attached.

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