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Plus/Pro owners, would you buy add-on OTA tuner?

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by Dan203, Apr 1, 2014.

Would you buy an external OTA tuner?

  1. Yes

    69 vote(s)
  2. Maybe, depends on price

    41 vote(s)
  3. No, I don't need it

    55 vote(s)
  1. abovethesink

    abovethesink Member

    Aug 26, 2013
    I am curious. Having always lived in rural areas, I only have ever had CBS, ABC, and PBS over the air. Where I am currently at it is PBS only. How many channels OTA do some get if six tuners could ever be needed? Isn't only the historic big four, the CW, and PBS that broadcasts OTA? I guess that is six, but what are the odds something would be on the same channels at the same time that you wanted to watch?
  2. midas

    midas I heard that

    Jun 1, 2000
    I get 27 channels, and that doesn't count the foreign language or religious channels.
  3. keenanSR

    keenanSR Member TCF Club

    Oct 12, 2004
    Santa Rosa CA
    Absolutely I would buy one, I hate the fact that my Roamio Basic can only be used for either/or. There are several channels in my area that have better quality via OTA than they do from Comcast. I miss this ability to get OTA that I had with my Series 3 HD.

    TiVo could come out with one like this that DIRECTV has to add-on OTA reception to their satellite DVRs. It connects via a USB cable, the case is way bigger than it needs to be as they wanted it to match the case size on their DVRs when stacked.
  4. tenthplanet

    tenthplanet Member

    Mar 5, 2004
    Sub channels some PBS stations have the main feed, world, and create. They are a number of classic TV channels running a sub channels on some others. TV networks can no longer be counted on to re-run episodes on shows you watch so it's best to record them when you can. It's easier to occupy 4 to 5 tuners than you would think and six on occasion.
  5. zalusky

    zalusky Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Apr 5, 2002
    Cupertino, CA
    I watch very few OTA channels. I prefer the shows I get on pay channels.
  6. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Jan 6, 2003
    Houston &...
    Mini doesn't go belly-up when the TiVo Internet is down. My wife uses the Mini on a kitchen TV, she can watch a live tuner, or anything on any TiVo. She has never had a single issue.

    Yes I am aware of TiVo's internet issues (C133? or something).

    Yes I am aware of weird issues when that happens. Can't delete scheduled recordings, or whatever.

    Yes I wish they would fix it.

    But it doesn't have one single effect on the Mini that we're aware of. I'm not going to say it doesn't possibly cause a problem, but the basic reason most people have a Mini, to watch TV & recordings, works without a hitch.

    Don't paint your problems with a broad belly-up. Lots of us are happy.
  7. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

    Jan 31, 2002
    Sometimes none, sometimes one or two, and sometimes more. I don't even come anywhere close to watching half of what I record. But I want a lot of choices when I sit down to watch tv.
  8. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

    Jan 31, 2002
    I can easily find six things to watch from Ota during the regular tv season. But there are also dozens of sub channels with content too. Of course I wouldn't necessarily watch it all, even though I might like to. But I don't have that much time.
  9. zgamer

    zgamer New Member

    Oct 12, 2007
    That was the big reason why I went with a base Roamio, I wanted the flexibility of not being tied to the cable company. I really wanted the Plus for the extra tuners and integrated stream.

    FWIW, I also keep my HD around because it had the ability to handle both Cable + OTA at the same time, something that was sorely lacking in the Roamio line.
  10. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

    Feb 5, 2011
    Cox Cable...
    For the record, it wasn't long ago I made several posts around TCF praising the Roamio, and stating I'd been mostly quiet because I was happy.

    Around the same time, the "random reboots" which TiVoMarget confirmed were TiVo Service related, began, followed by them stopping, but lingering issues remained for me. It had also been easy not to bring up the real-time internet communications dependence, as it's easier to nearly forget about, when the last outage, caused on TiVo's end, was becoming more, and more, of a distant memory. This cause-effect relationship is not limited to just me.

    I did say "no way I'm ever buying a Mini, unless TiVo comes out with something extremely different from what it is now", unless the state of things changes (perhaps a whole new product), when C133, and other real-time service related issues come up. But, the current Mini is just not the product I want, or need, as a whole. I have no use for it as the product it is. Summon the firing squad for me using the words "belly-up". :rolleyes: Two words...

    Did I ever say I owned one (or have ever owned one), and was speaking from personal experience? NO. That makes it impossible for me to be "painting my problems". I have a right to decide not to own one, and there's no rule that says I'm not allowed to say why.

    Since I formed my opinions, which formed my decisions (which was what I shared) based on what others have reported, why should I be the villain, for simply steering clear of a product that others have documented their multiple issues with in times of TiVo real-time service outages (and full outages, where the manual connections didn't work, either)?

    Dan203 has had the worst possible luck (or timing), in that nearly every time he set one up, changed his channel lineup, and maybe made a few other configuration changes (which likely re-invoked guided setup, or at minimum required connectivity), he found himself with a temporary brick. How/why? He started the changes without knowing the TiVo service was down, or would go down when doing so (see the threads documenting the nationwide TiVo service outages, if you don't believe me).

    At least, as has also been documented, you can somewhat clear up the (messed-up) state of an actual TiVo by unplugging the network cable from it (during such issues), so it senses no network at all, which gives more functionality (on a TiVo, not a mini). This workaround to get a TiVo to a better state, can't work on a mini, since it needs that connection to do anything at all (other than be a paperweight). If you choose the route of multiple TiVos, instead of one TiVo and the rest Minis, the odds would very likely be that you wouldn't go and re-run and setups, or make configuration changes to all, at the very same time, leaving you with maybe one TiVo stuck in limbo, and you have redundancy in place for these scenarios.

    This same sort or logic has been shared, by others, in other scenarios. Example: Who would want to beta-test, or participate in a main-unit TiVo software field trial, of those who have just one TiVo DVR, and everything else is Minis, and risk having nothing working, or not working well enough to not miss recordings? I felt that was a good point. It's also backed up by more than one post from TiVoMargret asking for volunteers to go sign up for that, with enticing words of how cool it would be helping, and being involved more directly. It's been quite a while since I've seen TiVo so actively seeking out volunteers. There had been a post here and there passively suggesting it, which is now more of an active "recruiting", or seeking-out.

    I had taken a moment to consider if the last few lines of that post should stay, or if I should go back and take that out (to prevent topic-drift). I did actually take the time to think it through. I felt that great elaborating on all the details (like I now have to, defending myself), would be taking it even more Off-Topic, than a mere additional shared thought.

    If you had PM'd me, and were decent in your approach, I may have come back and pulled that last comment, before it wound up quoted (which was your doing). Too late now. If I spent any more time than I already do, reviewing and re-reviewing my posts, it wouldn't be worth the time and effort to bother contributing anything to the forum.
  11. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

    Feb 5, 2011
    Cox Cable...
    Back On-Topic:

    It's fun to watch how the numbers of votes keeps increasing, but the percentages stay within ~2%.

    I think that says quite a lot, especially when you look at the combined Yes/Maybe percentages.

    Maybe after this poll starts stagnating, the next poll could break things down to those with 6-tuner boxes that want to add OTA and those with 4-tuner boxes that want to have concurrent cable & OTA together, as opposed to only having one, or the other. Then, maybe there's a way to present the option to the "No" crowd, to include making them think about things like "If their situation were to change, and they would need the additional OTA tuner, would they buy one?". It's easy to say you don't need one, when you assume your situations can't change, or won't change.

    Once that is all covered, I guess the next burning question would be sussing-out the dollar figure. That would likely be difficult to ask, without knowing how many tuners it would add, and if it would allow a mix/match of cable and OTA.

    While fun and interesting, I can't help but feel if TiVo can't even make the single-tuner overlapping work (aside from how long it took for them to try rolling it, in the first place), after so many years of being in the same business and making mostly the same products, that the programming "talent" at TiVo just isn't up to making this work, if one were to assume an external add-on tuner would be able to work without changing the hardware within what already exists.

    Before anybody jumps me for allegedly "insulting the talent at TiVo", know that I'm echoing something a great many have stated, when I've posted about both hardware and software capabilities I'd have liked to see added. It's pretty much the reason why I stopped making suggestions, like this poll addresses.

    I'm also aware of the crowd that wants no more new hardware or software features, until TiVo fixes existing issues.

    I wonder what percentage on "NO" voters were really saying "No, fix what you have already shipped first"....

    I also wouldn't be surprised if this Poll, being directed at Plus/Pro owners, is getting votes from Base-model owners, who once they see the poll, forget who it was made for. Like I posted before, I only bought base-models due to a need to have OTA as a fallback option. I voted YES, while technically not part of those who were invited to vote...
  12. CrispyCritter

    CrispyCritter Purple Ribbon Wearer

    Feb 28, 2001

    So in other words, you're not willing to spend the time correcting your own posts, but you expect other folks to PM you in order to correct your posts????

    I would think the amount of time you spend explaining and correcting yourself in long posts like this would convince you that it's worth doing some more self-review on your controversial posts (the majority of your posts are good, factual, and informative, but threads like this where you tend to overstate things are obvious even to you, I would think.)
  13. pshivers

    pshivers Retired!

    Nov 4, 2013
    Alhambra, CA
    I live in Southern California in the Los Angeles area, our OTA signals come from the top of Mt. Wilson (5,000' elevation) in the San Gabriel Mountains. I can actually see the array of TV/Radio antennas from my house that are about 10 miles away as the crow flies.

    I just ran the "Auto Program" on my Samsung HDTV OTA tuner, I came up with 169 Digital channels and ONE analog channel still broadcasting. There are actually a number of good sub-channels available OTA that I can not get via cable!


    I would very much like the ability to Tivo OTA channels on my 6 tuner Roamio Pro...
  14. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

    Feb 5, 2011
    Cox Cable...
    Who isn't guilty of occasionally including a sentence or two that isn't 100% On-Topic? That's the ONLY reason I had considered removing the last bit all on my own. Once it gets quoted, if I remove or edit it, then that results in a whole new can of worms. That's why a PM works better, sometimes.

    I often spend a great deal of time editing, re-editing, and for what? I usually still find a way to offend somebody, or bring the wrath of those who just accuse me of just being unhappy (usually with a declaration of how happy they are). Like as if I think I have the power to make somebody happy with a product, unhappy with that product, or the other way around.

    Since the passage in question got quoted, I gave the full explanation to back up what I said, be more specific, and defend myself. It happened. Let's just move on.
  15. pegasus

    pegasus New Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Perhaps the device could be made backwards compatible with my Series 1 box, that way I could replace the digital converter box in my current setup with something that would automatically change channels.
  16. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

    Jan 31, 2002
    That only has USB 1.1, which would be too slow even if they could get something like an add on OTA tuner to work.

    USB 1.1 is only 12Mbps.
  17. miketx

    miketx Member

    Sep 22, 2005
    Yes, I would buy it. I'm actually thinking of buying a basic Roamio instead of one of my minis for that exact reason. I run two of my 6 TVs in the house strictly off OTA...beautiful free HD picture.
  18. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Jan 6, 2003
    Houston &...
    Firing squad? You made a comment that a product goes belly-up under a specific circumstance. I replied that it didn't.

    I must be confused. Isn't this a forum where people post comments, and others reply? Why would I PM you when you make a statement, and I choose to differ?

    I know nothing about your reviewing and re-reviewing your posts. You posted something, I refuted it, and now you blame me for your error. And castigate me for quoting you?!?

    Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Either think before you type, or be prepared for what comes next.

    And btw, I was kind. Never got personal, nothing mean-spirited. Simply pointing out the fallacies in your post.
  19. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

    May 6, 2002
    If you pad recordings, it is very easy to use up 6 tuners now that we are back to needing two tuners for padded, successive recordings on the same channel.
  20. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

    Feb 5, 2011
    Cox Cable...

    Everybody is entitled to their opinions. Just because a product works well for you in the way that you use it, with your configuration, within your parameters, doesn't mean it will do the same for me (or everybody else, for that matter).

    Enjoy your configuration, and I'll stick with mine. I'm still not interested in a Mini, nor is that the topic of the thread.

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