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Plus or Pro?

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by jbaum, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. Aug 24, 2013 #81 of 191
    bareyb

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    Wow. Is that for real? That would be such great peace of mind... If you drop in a new drive do you lose your Lifetime sub?
     
  2. Aug 24, 2013 #82 of 191
    jmpage2

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    TiVo has never invalidated a subscription due to a drive upgrade... Doubt they would start now.
     
  3. Aug 24, 2013 #83 of 191
    donnoh

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    I ordered a pro and this is coming from guy that has upgraded every Tivo hard drive on every Tivo I've ever owned. The $50-$60 premium for a 3 TB vs a 1 TB when you add in the cost of a drive was a no brainer for me. Yeah I don't have a left over drive, but I have no use for a 1 TB drive.
     
  4. Aug 24, 2013 #84 of 191
    bareyb

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    I "doubt it" too. I'm just wondering if anyone knows for sure. The difference as I see it, is, WE upgraded the drive and copied over all the information with our own software. Who's to say TiVo wouldn't be able to tell that you swapped in a new drive and void your lifetime sub?

    It was my impression that "lifetime" meant the lifetime of the TiVo Hard Drive or any other hardware and if any of them failed you were out of luck and lost the lifetime sub. Is that not true? Does Tivo knowingly let people swap out their Hard Drives if they fail and then allow them keep their Lifetime Subs?
     
  5. Aug 24, 2013 #85 of 191
    jmpage2

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    Only someone from TiVo could answer that and I doubt they will. They know the recording capacity of your TiVo so yes they know if you "cheated". It is highly unlikely they care. Weaknees seemingly has a good relationship with TiVo and they are still offering drive upgrades and selling lifetime so that should tell you something.
     
  6. Aug 24, 2013 #86 of 191
    jfh3

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    Sorry, misread your original statement.
     
  7. Aug 24, 2013 #87 of 191
    astrohip

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    Absolutely yes. Lifetime is not tied to the hard drive.
     
  8. Aug 24, 2013 #88 of 191
    Dan203

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    Lifetime is tied to a cyrpto chip on the motherboard. So as long as the motherboard does not fail you can replace the drive and the power supply and you will retain your lifetime. But if the mobo goes you're SOL.
     
  9. Aug 24, 2013 #89 of 191
    bareyb

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    Beautiful! That's exactly what I needed. Would you still have to have Comcast re-pair the Cable Cards after a swap or does it retain all that info too?

    Side Question: My only concern with going to a one box solution is that if I ever did lose that HDD and replaced it, I'd have to reinstall all my SP's manually or when they become available, and I have over 100 of them... There's still no way to backup SP's without removing the Hard Drive right?
     
  10. Aug 24, 2013 #90 of 191
    SullyND

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    KMTTG can backup and restore season passes from Premiere units (and presumably Roamios)
     
  11. Aug 24, 2013 #91 of 191
    bfollowell

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    Heck no it isn't worth it. At least not to me. From what I've read, there is absolutely no difference between the Plus and the Pro other than one says Plus and one says Pro and one has a 1TB drive and the other has a 3TB drive. $200 is a lot to pay for 2TB. I can buy 2TB drives all day long for about $100. Add to that fact that 450 hours is a ridiculously large amount of stuff to have stored away. I guess if you have a bunch of kids and try to record/keep a lot of stuff for them, that too could impact it. In my house it's just my wife and I and she doesn't watch a lot so it's mainly me recording. If my kids still lived with us or were really young I could see wanting a lot more space.

    I guess it all depends on how you use your Tivo. How much you record and how long you keep it. Even if I wanted that much space I'd buy a Plus and add my own 2TB drive to it and pocket $100. That's just me though.

    Bottom line, you're the only one that can answer that question and it all depends on how you use your Tivo and how much.

    Good luck with your decision. I really don't think you can go wrong with either one. I can't wait to get my new Roamio Plus in a few months.

    - Byron Followell
     
  12. Aug 24, 2013 #92 of 191
    jmpage2

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    Cable card pairing is associated with the motherboard codes on the TiVo and the cablecard info. I'm not sure if you would need to re-pair it after a drive swap, but I doubt it.
     
  13. Aug 24, 2013 #93 of 191
    bareyb

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    I'm using PyTiVo but haven't ventured into that realm yet. I'll have to look into that. I'd love to be able to backup my SP's. :up:
     
  14. Aug 24, 2013 #94 of 191
    bareyb

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    Used to be if you used the available software to "clone" your existing Hard Drive there would be no need to re-pair the CC's. If you bought a drive formatted by Weaknees or someone like that, then you had to re-pair them. So hopefully whatever is embedded on the MOBO will restore ALL the data needed. I hope so... It's the "getting it to work with Comcast's Cablecards" that is the true PITA. Comcast has still never been able to get it right for me without much escalation and many, many, hours of time on the phone...
     
  15. Aug 24, 2013 #95 of 191
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    That would only work if configuration data was stored in flash, and got re-applied to a new hard drive when it is replaced.

    That seems extremely unlikely to me.
     
  16. Aug 24, 2013 #96 of 191
    dswallow

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    If you need more than 150 hours, it's falls into the "worth it" category. You'll pay around $140 right now for a 3TB drive. You'll have to open your unit and swap drives. And sure, that's usually straightforward, but not everyone is comfortable doing that. And while it usually goes OK, anything can happen. What if you drop the drive onto the motherboard while putting it in place, or your hand slips while attaching a cable and you tug too hard on some wire? You're the one assuming responsibility for any damages, and that's a risk that has a cost to it. Should any problem occur later that requires you get warranty service, you'll have to put the original drive back in before shipping it back. Is all that worth $60 to avoid any potential hassle in the future? It's a thin margin, for sure.

    Generally I'd say that if your intent is to immediately upgrade before using it much at all, buy the Pro and avoid it all. If your intent is simply to upgrade later if/when you need to, then buy the Plus. The only place it really makes sense is to upgrade the drive on the Basic unit since it has a feature the Plus and Pro don't have... OTA, and maybe to a lesser extent someone who is fine with no MoCA, no Stream built-in, only 4 tuners, and going for Cable there's value to upgrading the drive on it as an alternative the the $400 difference with the Pro model.

    Each person will need to evaluate it all based on their own expectations and desires, skill level, and acceptable risks.
     
  17. Aug 25, 2013 #97 of 191
    lessd

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    In Comcast land you have re-pair the card after changing out the hard drive unless you do a bit to bit copy, each C&D all will change the data on the cable card even if you use the same drive so a re-pair is needed.
     
  18. Aug 25, 2013 #98 of 191
    bareyb

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    Ugh. I was afraid of that. So while it's nice to have it reinstall the base software, without the SP's it's still almost as big of a nightmare because you have to call Comcast to get the Cablecards re-paired... I've never had it happen without a lot of hitches. Comcast should be shot for how poorly they support Cablecards for TiVo. :thumbsdown:
     
  19. Aug 25, 2013 #99 of 191
    jfh3

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    Comcast is quite good with CableCARD support/activation/re-pairing if you call their CableCARD support number. Not so much if you call the regular support number.

    Two years ago, I would have agreed with you. Now, to update anything with a card takes less than 10 minutes.
     
  20. bobfrank

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    What are the different limits?

    If the biggest hard drive I can use in the Plus is 3tb and I can use a 4tb disk in the Pro then I go with the Pro. If the max on both is 3tb, then I might go with the Plus.

    Thanks,
    Bob
     

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