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Plus or Pro?

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by jbaum, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. Aug 20, 2013 #21 of 191
    Beryl

    Beryl Well-Known Member

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    I added a 2TB drive to my Premiere and over a year later I am under 30% and never had a problem with it. I decided to get the regular Roamio to replace my HDLX. I'll eventually get another external drive on sale. Everyone has different needs I guess.
     
  2. Aug 20, 2013 #22 of 191
    Bigg

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    Apple does the same thing. They make WAY more on the 64GB iPhone than the 16GB iPhone (the 16GB has a nice margin, but the 64GB's margin is FAT).

    If/when I get one of these things, I'll get the bigger one. With 6 tuners, you can eat space up quick, and it would be even worse if I move to Rhode Island or Mass where FIOS is the provider...
     
  3. Aug 20, 2013 #23 of 191
    mntvjunkie

    mntvjunkie New Member

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    I'm having a tough time with this question myself, but leaning towards a plus. Like others here, I have a Tivo HD (not premiere, hence the upgrade) that has 1TB in it now. Looking at kmttg, I am only using 50% for recordings and 50% for suggestions. And 20% of that 50% that is "mine" could easily be deleted (old seasons of shows I won't watch again until they are on Netflix or DVD without commercials).

    Plus, I think of it another way. If I watch an average of 40 hours of TV per week, 150 hours would take me almost 4 weeks to get through, assuming no new content aired. And that assumes that all 40 hours is TV that has been recorded from cable, not factoring in Netflix, or Xfinity On Demand.

    Like I said, still weighing the pros and cons of both, but leaning heavily towards the Plus. The only reason I'd consider a Pro is because 6 tuners can fill up a drive fast, I don't watch ANY live TV, and having old sitcoms and movies on the drive can be a great way to fall asleep in a whole home solution. I MIGHT wait until someone verifies that it can be upgraded later, but looking at prices of 3TB drives online, that is likely to save me less than $100, something I could save by just ordering online.
     
  4. Aug 20, 2013 #24 of 191
    mntvjunkie

    mntvjunkie New Member

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    One other thing to consider is that it's a $200 price difference to help you get more out of your $100 cable package.....
     
  5. Aug 20, 2013 #25 of 191
    mattack

    mattack Active Member

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    What the heck does that mean?

    We don't know if we can even upgrade the drives in the Roamio yet (right?).. But on *EXISTING* Tivos, while completely unsupported and theoretically voids your warranty, it absolutely IS NOT "like buying a whole new TiVo and starting over", since you can transfer all of your shows/season passes to the new drive.
     
  6. Aug 21, 2013 #26 of 191
    Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I was thinking more of buying a bigger drive from someone like Weaknees. I wasn't really thinking about doing it myself and copying everything over. I guess that's not as bad, but significantly more effort.
     
  7. Aug 21, 2013 #27 of 191
    monkeydust

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    As I said, I have a Plus coming but now I'm kinda having second thoughts. I was planning on having a Plus, Elite and Mini running. But, now I'm wondering if I should have planned on getting another Mini and have a Pro and two Mini's because of the crappy app support of the Elite. While the Plus and Mini will primarily be for my use and that is plenty for me, it would probably be better for the wife and kid to have apps on the Tivo that work well instead of having to switch to the PS3 as they do today.

    I guess on the positive side with going with my original plan, I don't have to have their horrible programming (Kardashians and other mindless junk) mixed in with mine due to the lack of custom folders or profiles.

    EDIT: Two other points I thought of (a pro and con to switching to just minis/roamio). CON: There are not any good streaming options from PC to Mini right now and I use that a lot (use Stream Baby Stream which does not work at all - Flingo has very limited support). PRO: Replacing the Elite with a Mini would be one less CC to rent and one less TA to have problems with.
     
  8. Aug 21, 2013 #28 of 191
    slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    1TB is plenty of space, and a lot of people watch what they record instead of hoarding entire seasons of shows without watching. Not to mention that you can easily offload to a PC anyway. Finally, I'm sure we'll have a drive copy/expansion option for the S5s relatively soon just like we had for the S3s/S4s so it won't be a big deal to do an internal upgrade anyway.

    My Elite rarely goes above 20% space used and that's with around 60 SPs, so the Plus will be perfect for an upgrade when I can get a good deal on it. Once it hits $300-325 I'll probably bite, my Elite is only a little over a year old anyway.
     
  9. Aug 21, 2013 #29 of 191
    JohnnyO

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    One other item to consider is that if you end up with a single TiVo, with multiple Minis, you lose some redundancy. If your TiVo stops working, you will be unable to watch TV on all of your TiVo or Mini connected devices. This is the reason I'm going to be a Roamio/TiVoHD household, and not a Roamio/Mini household (at least for a while).

    John
     
  10. Aug 21, 2013 #30 of 191
    monkeydust

    monkeydust New Member

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    I've had Tivos since the series 1 and I've never had a problem with any of them (tuning adapters on the otherhand....)
     
  11. Aug 21, 2013 #31 of 191
    jessehere

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    i went with the plus and already have a wd ext drive
     
  12. Aug 21, 2013 #32 of 191
    lessd

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    The main failure point with any TiVo is the hard drive, I want a backup so I can replace the drive myself, I got the 1Tb R-6 and I hope we will have tools to expand the drive to 2Tb as that all I would ever need (for now).
     
  13. Aug 21, 2013 #33 of 191
    JohnnyO

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    That is impressive. I'd had hard drive failures (usually around the 4 to 5 year old mark) on all of my TiVos, going back to the DirecTivos. I currently have two TiVoHD units that had upgraded 1 TB drives installed the week I received them in March of 2008. One drive died about a year ago. The other died about a month ago. When they died, I was able to swap the basement TiVo with the living room TiVo (main TiVo) giving me until the weekend to acquire a drive and do the drive copy again.

    Maybe I just need to upgrade TiVo's more often. :)

    Thankfully, I don't have to deal with tuning adapters in my area.
     
  14. Aug 21, 2013 #34 of 191
    aaronwt

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    Even still so far I've yet to see a hard drive failure with a TiVo. My six DirecTV Tivos I bought in 2001 and 2003 are still being used by some friends I gave them to. They had Weaknees upgraded hard drives and have been running pretty much since they were upgraded.
    Plus my GF has two of my old S3, OLED Tivos with Hitachi 1TB drives. Those have been runnning for over six years with those hard drives with no problems.

    Although i don't know if the current hard drives are as resilient as those drives from years ago. But only time will tell.

    Who knows? Maybe it's time I have a hard drive issue with a TiVo? I'll probably get my Roamio Pro and it will be DOA.:D
    Although that would be preferable to the drive dying a few days after being put into service.
     
  15. Aug 21, 2013 #35 of 191
    Big Boy Laroux

    Big Boy Laroux New Member

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    I'm debating this same thing... is it worth the extra $200 to have it now, or pay ~$100 in the future when (if) the drive is upgradeable? I can't imagine i'd ever need more than 2 TB...
     
  16. Aug 21, 2013 #36 of 191
    NYHeel

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    I have two Premieres each upgraded with 2TB drives. One is at 92% and the other at around 75% though I think I might have some duplicate stuff on each Tivo. I like to record full seasons of shows and then wait until the end to decide if I want to watch them. I also have big TV eyes, meaning I like to record a lot of stuff knowing I probably won't be able to get to them. Plus my kids have a lot of their stuff on there. I have them set their stuff to keep at most 5 but their junk adds up.

    I'd actually like to buy the plus and upgrade the drive to 4TB but I think 3TB would be ok. I would hate to lose space on the upgrade (going from 4TB to 3TB) but I definitely can't do 1TB. While DSwallow's point is valid, I hate the idea of significantly overpaying for something.

    Oh well, I'll probably wait a little longer and see what happens with the upgrades. I really don't find it much of a hassle to do the upgrade (at least it wasn't on the TivoHD and Premieres that I previously did).
     
  17. Aug 21, 2013 #37 of 191
    aaronwt

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    I've pretty much decided to go with the Pro. I used to always upgrade the hard drives in my TiVos. But the Elites were the first model that I did not upgrade. My plan will be not to upgrade the Roamio hard drive. But if an upgrade process is released quickly, before I get my Roamio Pro, Then I will probably pick up the Plus and upgrade it to a 3TB drive(since I have a spare 3TB Seagate) and then later a 4TB drive.
     
  18. Aug 21, 2013 #38 of 191
    Big Boy Laroux

    Big Boy Laroux New Member

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    Yeah I upgraded the drive in both my TiVo HDs (but have not owned a premiere to be familiar with that process). It was easy enough, but it may be worth it not to have to even have to worry about it at all.
     
  19. Aug 21, 2013 #39 of 191
    bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    If the tools are updated to work on the Roamio line - I will probably take the 2TB drive out of my Premier and reformat it to work on the new unit.

    I have the origional Premier drive sitting around just waiting to go back in.

    The wife will just require me to archive a few of the shows currently sitting on the Premier -but it wiping it won't be that big of a deal for me.

    I am patiently waiting to see someone try to expand the Roamio drive with the existing tools. (My bet is that it will need to be updated to work)
     
  20. Aug 21, 2013 #40 of 191
    Davisadm

    Davisadm TiVo is awesome!!!!!

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    Completely agree!
     

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