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Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by tomhorsley, Aug 29, 2013.

  1. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Hmm... I wonder why they say 8? I know for a fact that the maximum number of devices allowed on an account is 10, so you should be able to have 9 Minis and 1 TiVo. I wonder if the Stream counts as a seperate device even when it's built into the Plus/Pro? If so then that would explain why they said 8.

    But in any case that doesn't apply to what I was saying. A single TiVo can only support 3 outgoing streams at a time. Or at least that's how many the Premieres support. It's possible the Roamio supports more, but given the limits of the hard drive being used I don't think it would be 8. The HDD they use supports 12 streams. There are always 6 recording, plus one playing on the TiVo itself. They also leave room for one incoming and one outgoing transfer. So that leaves 3 available for streaming. Now they may have changed the transfer thing to count as an outgoing stream, so it might do 4, but someone would have to test to verify.

    I have two iOS devices, a Mini and another TiVo. So when I get mine I'll try it out and see if I can max it out. If I can't all enlist my wife's two iOS devices and see if we can get 6 going all at once.
     
  2. Series3Sub

    Series3Sub Well-Known Member

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    Dish (for about 10 years on all 2 tuner boxes in Single Mode, even at 2nd TV) and DircTV offer PIP (For Hopper and Genie PIP only at main unit, not at clients). I don't know why PIP would NOT have made it in this fine, well-received generation of TiVo. Maybe a software update to Romios? Let's hope so. PIP seemed a no-brainer, especially since certain other DVR's offer them. One would have expected TiVo to offer PIP as it really is a PREMIUM product.
     
  3. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I still don't get the appeal of PIP. When you have 6 tuners that can all record why would you ever want to watch two at once? Just record one and watch the other. PIP seems like a useless technology in this day and age.
     
  4. HenryFarpolo

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    On Sundays, I watch my local team (Patriots) and watch NFL Red Zone in the PIP. Gives me the opportunity to keep up with both in real time. Did the same with night football with the Red Sox in PIP.

    PIP is only useless if you have it and don't use it!!:)
     
  5. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    I thought it was also useless over twenty years ago. My 32" tube TV I got in 1991 had PiP. I tried it a handful of times and thought it was worthless for me.

    SInce then I can't say I've used it. If I'm going to have something else on I will just play it on one of my tablets now. For me it works out better that way. I do know people that have used PiP in the past and still use it today. So they do get use out of it. But for me, PiP never worked out.
     
  6. Grakthis

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    I've had TVs with PIP since the 90's and I've never used it for anything.

    It's just not useful to have a tiny screen up. If I am watching two things (like sports), I use a combo of pausing, toggling back and forth and fast forwarding.

    I mean... i'd need a 100'' TV to watch 4 things at once with any amount of satisfaction. It takes a 60'' TV for me to be happy watching one thing!
     
  7. Grakthis

    Grakthis New Member

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    You know that tablets and phones and computers exist, right? Aren't they better in basically every way for keeping up with a second sport?
     
  8. tomhorsley

    tomhorsley Active Member

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    I liked PIP for watching two games live. The one I actually wanted to watch, and the one that is better than watching commercials in the first game :). I could see when the commercials were over in the small PIP window and switch back to it. Basically I only turned on PIP during commercials.

    I could do the same thing with streaming to my tablet, if only TiVo would finally add streaming support for android...
     
  9. L David Matheny

    L David Matheny Active Member

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    Besides the other situations mentioned, I sometimes wish I had an easier way to see when a program that's supposed to record actually starts after a game that ran long or a Presidential address or whatever. Unless I fix it, the season pass will record only whatever is on during the originally scheduled time slot. If I buy a 4-tuner Roamio I suppose I could just extend the program by an hour, but right now I'm using a 2-tuner Premiere.
     
  10. HenryFarpolo

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    Gee, thanks for the information.:rolleyes:

    I happen to like PIP for the use I described.... To each their own.
     
  11. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    So it seems most people use it for sports. I'm not a sports fan, so that's probably why I don't get the appeal. A few years back I did get into watching football but I had no problem recording the games. It never made any sense to me why people cared if they were watching "live" or not. I actually preferred recording the games because it allowed me to skip the commercials. I've since stopped watching football for the most part.

    Another problem I have with PIP is I'm easily distracted. I'm not a multi-tasker at all. I can only really focus on one thing at a time anyway. My wife can attest to this every time she tries to talk to me while I'm watching TV or surfing on my iPad and I don't hear a word she says.
     
  12. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    Dan I have to agree with you...

    I do not watch sports at all and have never understood that attraction to PIP. I guess that is the most likely use case...

    Since you and I are probably the minority - it may be something TiVo should consider.

    I just know, I never used it when I had it and would'nt use it if they gave it to me!
     
  13. mylifeiissports

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    how did you do this?
     
  14. mylifeiissports

    mylifeiissports New Member

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    so basically what you are saying is that the new Roamio DVRs do have a picture in picture capability, similar to what Directv's Genie boxes do?
     
  15. lgnad

    lgnad Pantless Mofo

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    back when PIP and POP were on more sets, and big-screen tvs were still evolving, I remember ones that would show a grid of a lot of channels, with the tuners cycling between the different images, updating each like once per second or two, as a sort of visual channel guide.

    Like this, but with even more... (left side o'course)

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    People pay for things like NHL gamecenter, mlb tv etc with like four simultaneous game feeds, so there is definitely a market for this kind of thing.
     

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