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Permanently deleted folder.

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by steneni, Mar 19, 2017.

  1. steneni

    steneni Member

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    I'd like to know if there is any advantage to manually pruning the recently deleted folder and permanently deleting programs from there. I've looked online in the Tivo forums and not much information there about this folder and if permanently deleting programs is worth it or not.
     
  2. JoeKustra

    JoeKustra Cable only TCF Club

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    It depends on your viewing habits. I record prime time and late night on one 1TB basic Roamio. I watch late night daily and delete. I watch prime time on weekends and delete then kill them. Right now I have 130 programs in that folder, all TDS, The Tonight Show and The Late Show going back to 12/2016. When I see the end (oldest) being pruned, I kill the whole month. I avoid always using the same area of the hard drive this way. I used to kill everything in that folder every day. I had the drive fail in a year. I have a 3TB Roamio also. I have not yet filled it up. I use it for movies.
     
  3. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    The answer is no. Just let them delete themselves as they age.
     
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  4. Turtleboy

    Turtleboy Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    . . . unless you are hiding porn from your wife.
     
  5. PSU_Sudzi

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    Can you elaborate on this? It's not clear to me what's the appropriate way to manually permanently delete shows to optimize HD life?
     
  6. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    That's because there isn't one. None of that is going to have any affect on the life of a hard drive. The average TiVo hard drive outlives the useful life of the TiVo. IOW, you'll be replacing it with the TiVo Series 8 Ultra-SHD with Live TV SkipAhead© before the hard drive dies on your current one.
     
  7. mattack

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    There is one reason.. it's an edge case and due to a bug. Sometimes (WAY more often than it should be, which should be never), shows get STUCK in recently deleted. As someone who is essentially almost always at 99 or 100%(*) but doesn't want my own shows to get deleted (or miss upcoming recordings), sometimes if I have just watched a big sized show, I will delete it and permanently delete it only to make sure it really is gone.. I have had shows I _recorded_ delete because a show was stuck in RD (couldn't delete it until I rebooted the Tivo).

    (*) The estimate is slightly off. I can be at "100%" full, and still be recording HD *suggestions*. Also, the iOS app estimate is slightly off from that too, as I frequently see it off by a percent or two from what I see on the Tivo natively.. Oh, and right after an upgrade happens, for some reason it thinks it's 97% full, but then gets back to 99% soon without any new recordings.
     
  8. PSU_Sudzi

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    I rarely am above 10% of my 3 TB, only use KUID for all shows, and fanatically manually empty the deleted folder daily. I just didn't know if the deletions caused problems as mentioned by Joe Kustra.
     
  9. steneni

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    I'm with you, PSU_Sudzi, I don't quite buy into Joe's comment about prematurely killing his HDD by manually emptying this permanently deleted folder. IMHO he had a faulty drive. The answers in this thread have been useful and thanks to all. On a side note, wonder if Tivo defrags the drive to keep it optimized?
     
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  10. JoeKustra

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    On that bad drive. Guess where I got it? From a TiVo WD MyBook. My fault for using it. Funny thing though. The new WD10EURX (same model as the old) dropped my MBT 3C. No idea why. When I put a WD30EURX in a different basic Roamio, the MBT rose 3C. Life is funny sometimes.
     
  11. PSU_Sudzi

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    Good to know. I wasn't questioning your deletion habits to preserve HD life as much as I wanted to know if my OCD deletion habits were bad.
     
  12. JoeKustra

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    It's hard to determine if my habits caused the failure, or the failure was just a bad drive. My new drive has been great since. I still ponder the change in MBT, but not long. If it works I don't try to fix it.
     
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  13. steneni

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    Sure I hear ya. My post was in a similar vein wondering if pruning this folder is useful or not. I'll prune this folder as and when I think it will help. I like showing off my Tivo to non Tivo newbies. It always impresses when when you can undelete an old recording of a program that came up in general conversation.
     
  14. Old Hickory

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    Live TV SkipAhead? That'll hurt the sports gambling industry.
     
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  15. PCurry57

    PCurry57 Liberal Hippie Chick

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    Why with 3TB capacity would you obsess on keeping the drive empty? I sometimes want to reach an episode. I mark movies do not delete

    Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab S2 (SM-T817P)
     
  16. justen_m

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    Aren't TiVos Linux-based? Which means they probably use an ext2, ext3, or ext4 filesystem. No real need to defrag*, especially not when you look at the large contiguous files TiVos generate. If TiVos ran Windows, and used NTFS, then maybe an occasional defrag is in order.

    *No 100% true. Close enough. Here's a decent primer, Why Linux Doesn’t Need Defragmenting
     
  17. CharlesH

    CharlesH Member TCF Club

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    The OS uses a standard Linux file system, but the recordings use a proprietary format.
     

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