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PCMag gives the Stream a "good" review - 3 out of 5

Discussion in 'TiVo Stream' started by sbiller, Sep 7, 2012.

  1. Dpordy99

    Dpordy99 New Member

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    Slingplayer looks great if you've got a good internet connection.

    This would be cool if you were in Paris, you had a flight back to the US the next morning so you downloaded a bunch of shows off your DVR to your iPad while you were sleeping. Then on the airplane ride home you can watch them. Unfortunately you can't do this.

    And we will have to agree to disagree. I would much rather watch a show on my Pioneer Elite 60" than the 9.7" screen on my iPad. Looks like I'm in the minority on this one.

    One thing I'd like to see is the next iPad bump up the memory to 128 GB, but I will believe when I see it as apple seems to be moving away from physical storage and moving more towards cloud based storage with services like iTunes match
     
  2. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    If TiVo didn't use Bonjure for discovery this would work fine. In the old days they used a simpler UDP based discovery protocol that actually worked via VPN. I'm not sure why they decided to switch to Bonjure which does not support VPN. TiVo Desktop has the option to use either one. If that added a similar option to the iOS app, or a way to select the TiVo manually via IP address, then you would be able to actually do that.

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  3. smbaker

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    True story. So my mom shows up for lunch today, and we both get out our iPads to brag about our latest app. I excited to show off my Tivo Stream. "Look at this", I say, "I can watch an episode of Perception on my iPad, streamed from my Tivo that's right over there".

    She says "yeah, I've got that too" and opens HBO Go, which has a dazzling array of cool looking programs and she starts streaming The Newsroom. She can do this while visiting my house, nowhere near her DVR, and not needing to have scheduled any of these recordings. Her app is "free".

    Therein lies the problem with the Tivo Stream and why it gets a 3 out 5 rating. It's a $130 device that gives you a capability that many people think they already have, and it has a proximity requirement to the home LAN. Sure, we TCF nerds can argue about how our thing can stream any program we've recorded, and how our latency is low, and how $130 really is a reasonable price considering the manufacturing and marketing costs, and how the HBO Go app isn't really "free" since you pay for HBO. However, the average person just doesn't care. They already have an app that streams cable programming. They don't need to buy a $130 box.
     
  4. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Apples and oranges. The Stream is like your TiVo and HBOGo is like your OnDemmand service. Most peoplemwould still just watch their TiVo then wade through all the options in onDemmand just to, maybe, find the show they're looking for.

    Someday services like that will be king, but for now there is still a market for DVRs and streaming their content to other devices.

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  5. jrtroo

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    We should start taking numbers as to when it goes from 130 to 99. Seems that the slide took about 4 months to drop in price...
     
  6. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    Early adopters always pay a premium. I think I paid $800 in order to have the S3 by Christmas. And remember all the complaints when the iPhone dropped in price just a year later?

    Putting aside R&D and marketing costs, the Stream has a specific cost to manufacture. If the market cannot support the device @ cost + a small profit then TiVo will stop selling the product.

    Unfortunately / fortunately (based on your perspective) Apple has become the Wal-Mart of the CE world. They have created such downward price pressure with their Foxcon labor camps in China that nobody can compete anymore.

    Since TiVo is a small company with a modest distribution, it cannot possible match the price points you are looking for.
     
  7. smbaker

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    To us, yes. However, try to explain the difference to a non-technical user who has HBO Go. They won't see a bit of difference, other than we paid $130 for what they got "for free".

    What surprises me is that they didn't just integrate this onto the motherboard and market a "Tivo 4.5" (or in apple-speak, the "Tivo 4S").
     
  8. jrtroo

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    I'm not looking for the price to drop (i'm actually looking for android support), I'm forecasting it based upon TiVo's history and the general trend for the slow elimination of the early adopter tax. :)

    I believe Apple's big deal was that their initial iphone price drop was so soon after launch. Now their prices seem to drop with regularity after the early adopters swoop in, so those who are patient can time when to jump in for purchase..
     
  9. compnurd

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    That and for MANY cable users like myself, HBO Go is not offered...
     
  10. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    HBOGo is a great service! I use it all the time even though I have a TiVo. They offer every original program they've ever aired. I wish more content providers would add a service like that. My only complaint is I have to use my XBox to view it. I wish there was a TiVo app for it instead.

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