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PCMag gives the Stream a "good" review - 3 out of 5

Discussion in 'TiVo Stream' started by sbiller, Sep 7, 2012.

  1. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Actually it does allow you to download shows to your iPad, it just depends on your cable company as to which shows you can download. In my case only the premium channels are protected so I can download almost anything.

    As for streaming outside the home... You mentioned in another thread that the Slingbox doesn't work very well for that, and my own experience has been the same, so why are you putting so much value into that aspect of it? If it doesn't work in practice then that's the point in having it?

    But in any case if you're happy with your Slingbox that's fine. But why do you feel the need to call the TiVo Stream a "piece of crap"? It does exactly what it's advertised as doing and it does it well. No need to bash it just because it doesn't meet your unfounded expectations.

    Edit: One more thing... The Slingbox HD costs $270. Add the $30 for the iPad app* and you're looking at $300 for that setup. Is streaming outside the home really worth $170 to you?

    Dan

    * They charge $30 for every version of the app, so if you want to watch your Slingbox on your iPhone and your iPad you have to buy two $30 apps.
     
  2. Dpordy99

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    How well the slingbox works depends on your internet connection. I tested it on the wifi at the Apple Store it worked fine. It worked at a Marriott I stayed at recently in Marina Del Ray. It worked great when I stayed at my parents house in Ohio. It did not work at all on the wifi that I paid for on an airplane, and when I stayed at the Marriot in Long Island it was stuttering like crazy (I was on the 10th floor), I went down to the lobby and it worked fine in the hotel lobby.

    Now it's never been perfect. Even when I say "It worked fine" it still pauses or stutters occasionally, which I find annoying but I'm not going to be selling my slingbox anytime soon since I have yet to find a better alternative

    I am sticking up for the reviewer who god forbid "wasn't impressed with the product, how dare them not give this at least a 4, they must be biased and have an agenda"

    I don't see this as a groundbreaking product, just TiVo catching up to features other cable companies have already rolled out.

    As far as copy protection goes, I know Time Warner and RNC has it. Cox obviously has it because my shows are copy protected. A friend of mine who has Comcast tells me his stations all have copy protection. I know those are only 4 companies but that's still a lot of markets.

    TiVo should put a huge asterik in their marketing because I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed just like I was when I wasted $25 on Tivo2Go only to find out it's worthless
     
  3. BigJimOutlaw

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    If that is the argument, then it simply doesn't respect the technology being used. The Stream wasn't possible at even $130 until somewhat recently, much less baked into a box 2 and a half years ago without it costing *drastically* more than the $130 this costs.

    The argument would be more valid if it weren't baked into the next box. In the meantime, I don't think it's valid to down-rate things they don't understand, complain about illogical shoulda/woulda/coulda's, or feign outrage in the wrong direction when (shock!) copy-protected content can't be copied.

    The only Cox app I can find lets you stream live TV from about 2 dozen channels or so. I'm not seeing anything about all channels being available to stream and all DVR content being re-encoded into h.264 so that they're playable on iDevices... You MIGHT be exaggerating its ability. ;) Link?
     
  4. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Even among those providers only some copy protect everything. Time Warner is the exception. I think they copy protect everything in all their markets. However most Comcast markets only protect premium channels and RNC is the same way. I'm not sure about COX but there is a list around here somewhere with all the providers and the protection schemes they use in all their various markets. The majority of them only protect premium channels. And a few don't protect anything at all. (mine didn't until about a year ago)

    Dan
     
  5. Dpordy99

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    Cable companies offer similar features without requiring you to buy a new cable box. Now the cable companies have an advantage because the streaming is over the cable network, however that doesn't matter to most consumers. Most consumers when they buy a product do not grade on a curve, which is basically what your asking for here.

    As far as copying copy protected content goes, Consumers don't care whose fault it is. All they care about is that they paid $130 for a product that doesn't do what is says it does.


    I'm talking about the app that they constantly advertise. I've never looked it up in the app store. As far as h.264 goes, the average consumer just wants to be able to watch their shows and doesn't even know what h.264 is. They don't obsess over the quality. If quality was a huge deal, CD stores wouldn't be going away in favor of MP3's.
     
  6. BigJimOutlaw

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    The thing is, they're not all that similar. No cable company comes close to mimicking everything the Stream can do, whether through hardware or their network. Some MSO's have live streaming apps with a small set of channels. Some might even have (or will have) VOD apps. But none of them are this comprehensive -- stream any/all channels, stream any/all recordings. I don't think any of them have sideloading either. And most providers don't have any options at all yet. So Tivo's option is still much better than no option, or the very limited "free" options given by providers.

    In reality, Tivo is potentially as much as a year ahead of everybody else by releasing this now as an accessory rather than sitting on it until they can build it into their next generation boxes. I don't expect a rating curve; I simply understand that few other options come close, and won't in the short term. The price can be debated, but the value of what it does is much greater than free alternatives considering it has little or no equivalent competition, and I wouldn't down rate it for not existing at reasonable consumer-level pricing 2.5 years ago.

    You're right, the format doesn't matter. I only mentioned it because you said the app had DVR playback. For that to be possible, Cox would need their own version of a Stream or the DVR would need to have the h.264 transcoding capability built-in. But the app and DVR have no such features.
     
  7. magnus

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    I would agree. $30 for the iPad app and the another $30 for the iPhone app and then another $30 for the android app. That's just insane.

    At least the app for boxee is free.
     
  8. Dpordy99

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    The reviewer said that price had very little impact on her review.

    I'd rather pay $30 for the slingplayer and $250 for the slingbox and have it work than pay $150 for the TiVo thing only for it to not work.

    Your getting a lot more for your money with the slingbox IMO.
     
  9. Dpordy99

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    If you could use it like a slingplayer and watch your TV anywhere I would sort of agree with you, but what's so great about all these bells and whistles if you have to be on your home network. The fact that you are limited to your home network is a deal breaker for me, throw in the fact that there's a good chance your not going to be able to download your shows and I don't think this is a "great value"

    If I want to watch America's got Talent why would I watch it on my iPad when I can watch it on my 60" TV?

    Also lets say you get past the copy protection and you are in Paris for 10 days. I'm pretty sure you have to be on your home network to download your shows, so if there is a few shows you want to download that were recorded during your vacation, and you want to download them in Paris for the long flight back you are out of luck

    Sorry being able to watch your cable on your iPad in the same house where your 60" TV sits is not that cool. Being in a hotel room in Germany and accessing your TiVo from San Diego, now that's cool!



    If you've got $150 to blow on this, you probably can afford to have more than one TV
     
  10. compnurd

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    Wait.. You just harped about how your Cox Advanced TV could do this... So that is not cool also?
     
  11. sbiller

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    Keep in mind the broadcast networks are mandated by the FCC to be marked 'Copy Freely' so even on a restricted network like TWC or BHN a consumer would be able to sideload the Primetime anytime networks (e.g., ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox, etc.).
     
  12. sbiller

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    19 comments on a PCMag.com review... just scanning through about half a dozen past reviews and that appears to be a very high number of comments for them! :up:
     
  13. compnurd

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    Thats what happens when you review something and complain about a part of the product it states it can not do...

    That would be like me complaining to Suzuki that the Kazashi doesn't have a built in cappuccino maker.. even though the commercial shows one and it says it doesn't have it
     
  14. sbiller

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    Yep. That's the reason I started the thread. Ben at Engadget gave a much more balanced review of the Stream. He complains about the Price but his review is more comprehensive and accurate.

    http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/04/tivo-stream-transcoder-review/
     
  15. compnurd

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    Agreed.. Much better review.. Didnt have to listen to him harp about his TWC service
     
  16. magnus

    magnus Tivo User

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    That's your opinion. I'm sure there are lots of folks that would disagree with you on this.
     
  17. Dpordy99

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    No it's not cool and I never said I had Cox advanced TV. At least Cox advanced TV is free though
     
  18. BigJimOutlaw

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    After comparing it to incomparable free apps, you're now going the other way and comparing it to something twice as expensive. :D The Slingbox point I'll grant you to the extend that the feature is not offered and it would be nice if it was for those that actually care about it. Although, technically it is... in the form of a Slingbox. If they open that floodgate one day, fine by me.

    But I wouldn't expect and then complain about not getting it in a Stream for half the price either. I'm also not giving Roombas lower ratings on Amazon for not being Rosie the Jetsons' robot maid. :)
     
  19. button1066

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    3/5 seems too low. I think the functionality is perfect. As far as the stuff about "i want to control my TiVo from Paris" goes it just makes me want to laugh. As if there is nothing better to do in Paris than watch a stuttery internet video of your DVR at home in America. I much, much prefer a focused high quality experience than a compromised effort which is what I consider something like Slingplayer to be.

    Incidentally I say this as someone who has done a lot of business travelling in Europe and Japan. The sideloading on an iPad would be a dream on a 10+ hour flight.

    There are so many little fun things about the Stream for me. Being able to check out shows while someone else is watching the TiVo is one of them. Another one is the way watching TV in bed is so much nicer on a device that you hold like a book. Even the interface is great, it makes me wonder what Apple are planning for their move into TV, specifically the way that a touch screen is so quick and intuitive for controlling TV playback.
     
  20. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    What might be cool is if TiVo offered a way to access the Stream from outside the network for side loading only. (there might be some copyright issues for streaming) Then you can reload your iPad with video for your return flight. You can pretty much already do this with a TiVo using TiVoToGo and the http interface, but it would be nicer to transfer the smaller transcoded streams from the TiVo directly to the iPad.

    Dan
     

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