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PCMag gives the Stream a "good" review - 3 out of 5

Discussion in 'TiVo Stream' started by sbiller, Sep 7, 2012.

  1. Sep 7, 2012 #1 of 50
    sbiller

    sbiller Active Member

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    http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2409351,00.asp

    I need some help in the comments if any of you Stream users would like to chime in! Its hard to imagine that this box for $129 is a 3/5. I know scores are arbitrary but she is basically comparing the Stream to something like HBO Go which lets you stream on-demand content for Free. How is that a valid comparison?

    Thanks,
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  2. Sep 7, 2012 #2 of 50
    smbaker

    smbaker Well-Known Member

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    She's also bitching about copy protection of programs, which is a valid concern for downloading using the Stream.

    As with the Tivo itself, a lot of the problems are not directly Tivo's fault, but are due to the content providers and distributors (and Cable Labs). I'd knock a star off of it myself if there were programs I could not download. It makes the device less than fully useful (and yes, I do know it's called the "Tivo Stream", not the "Tivo Download")

    She also dings it for the cost, and I've have to agree with her. While I expected a price in the $100-$150 range, and I even think it's reasonable considering the cost to manufacture and market, that is still a lot of money for what you're getting. It's a capability that should have been built into the Premiere.

    I'd also be tempted to knock a star off because it can only be used locally on the LAN. Other devices (slingbox, etc) you can watch over the Internet. Tivo Stream you cannot. A significant limitation.

    ETA: I'd also be temped to deduct a star for lack of Android device support if I was an Android user. Fortunately, I'm an iPad user so it's not a problem for me.

    In short, while I like the Stream and it suits my purposes, it does have a number of limitations that make it worthy of losing a couple of stars.
     
  3. Sep 7, 2012 #3 of 50
    sbiller

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    I don't think its a lot of money compared to the $700+ I paid for my LTE iPad. I suppose its all relative. I guess I would give my Slingbox a really bad rating because the box is expensive and every app for every platform is $29.99.

    I would argue with you that the Stream is providing a unique capability and for $129 its a pretty good value -- 4 stars. :cool:
     
  4. Sep 7, 2012 #4 of 50
    smbaker

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    To an extent I agree with you regarding the slingbox app price. That's why I chose a vulkano instead. I'd deduct a star from my hypothetical slingbox review because they charge for the app.

    I can get more capability out of a slingbox or vulkano. It's not as convenient (in particular the latency when using the remote makes trick play useless) but working over the Internet instead of being limited to a LAN is a huge increase in capability. A slingbox is also more generalized and works with a variety of sources.
     
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    I didnt like the review at all. It was too much based from Her perspective and not the actual device. For someone like me, my cable company doesnt protect anything, so that is a complete non issue for me. Seems like she had an agenda going in
     
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    Why would she have an agenda? It's her opinion, and your free to disagree with it.

    With my cable company almost everything is protected and I would imagine there are more people that have this issue than don't so I think it's a valid complaint.

    Your basically paying $130 for something that many cable companies including my cable company offer for free.

    Really the ability to watch Tivo on your iPad over your home network isn't that big of a deal in my opinion unless you only have 1 TV in the house and you want to have the TV in the background while you are cooking, doing dishes, or doing laundry.

    If this device allowed you to watch your Tivo outside of your home network, or on a 4G connection as well as allowed you to save your shows so you could watch them on an airplane where there is no internet than I can see giving this thing a 5.

    The fact that you are limited to your home network, for many the ability to transfer shows is useless, and that you are paying for something that most cable companies offer for free in my opinion is a perfectly valid reason to give something a "good" review of 3 stars and doesn't mean she has an "agenda", that's completely ridiculous what you just said.
     
  8. Sep 8, 2012 #8 of 50
    compnurd

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    Last I checked there was maybe 3 cable companies that offer the same ability. and there are 53 in the US. and several of the large ones dont allow you to watch your recorded content on an app... Just allow you to watch certain channels

    Last I checked reviews were supposed to be based on the product, not opinion pieces.
     
  9. Sep 8, 2012 #9 of 50
    Dpordy99

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    Your totally not understanding her complaint. After I got done paying for the lifetime membership I think I paid like $600 for the Tivo Premeire and the Lifetime. I could be off but I know it wasn't cheap. What she was saying is that for that amount of money you shouldn't have to pay another $150 for this, this should be built into Tivo. People who pay a subscription fee to HBO get to take their HBO on the road with them using HBO Go and you don't have to buy any additional hardware and you pay the same subscription fee whether you use HBOGo or you don't. With TivoStream you pay a subscription fee and you *DO* have to buy additional hardware and it only works in your home network and you can only transfer shows if you are lucky enough to have a cable provider that doesn't copy protect their content. HBOGO isn't limited to your home network. A perfect valid criticism.

    Now I totally disagree with you about this being a "unique capability". I believe this is only available for cable box subscribers (I have a cable card), but there is an iPad app through my cable provider called "Cox Advanced TV". Cox Advanced TV app allows you to watch any shows in your Cox DVR as well as live TV on your iPad. In fact since your watching it from Cox's servers you don't even have the restriction of being out of luck if you want to watch a show and you're TV is recording two different programs. Guess how much this app costs? $50? $100? $200? It's free!!! It is free. No additional hardware required, it's free.

    Why should a device that costs $150 that basically allows me to do something that had I have had a cable box I could do for free get a glowing review?

    I'm going to stick to my sling box. At least with my slingbox I can actually sit in a hotel room and watch my DVR. If I stay at my parents house 2,000 miles away I can watch my DVR programs on my iPad. Until you can do this with Tivo Stream it's just a way of charging for something that other cable companies will give you for free
     
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    No not everyone who pays for HBO gets to take it to go. My cable company and about 30 others dont support it yet... And there is no subscription fee for the Stream
     
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    Your is not You're. Let me get this straight. After having spent "like $600" on your Premiere and lifetime "membership" (it's not a membership), you'd rather fork over "like $600" again for a new Premiere with Stream built in than $129 to add Stream capability to your existing unit?
     
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    Another point is this Feature is not built into the STB of these cable companies. The streaming they support is over there cable network.. Not coming from the STB.. There is nothing Tivo can do about that
     
  13. Dan203

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    Reviews are always opinions. That's the nature of a review. Personally when I read a review I only pay attention to the negatives. If the negatives are substantial, like it doesn't work or there is a high rate of failure then I might reconsider my purchase. But if the negatives are personal preference then I only pay attention to them if they also effect my usage of the device.

    After a few days of use I'd personally give the Stream 4 stars. It works perfectly for what I bought it for. The only reson I'd knock it a star is because I have run into a few minor issues with the software and one gltch that required a reboot of the Stream itself.

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  14. compnurd

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    See I come from the school of thought where they are not. Products are tested and benchmarked and results given. I read a blog if i want an opinion
     
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    It still impacts the "goodness" of the Stream. Sure, there are factors outside of Tivo's control. The cablecos have infrastructure that Tivo doesn't have. None of that is the consumer's problem.

    The consumer cares whether he gets value for his money, whether the device provides capabilities he desires, and the breadth and depth of those capabilities compared to competitors.

    That's a very limited view of a 'review'. Most reviews include opinions and are highly subjective. Most reviews take into consideration value and usability. A solely performance-based review might be relevant for the latest graphics card or CPU, but it's generally not for a piece of consumer entertainment gear.

    The stream isn't a device that's performance based. It gives me binary performance. I can either watch Tivo programming on my iPad or I cannot. It either performs 100% or 0%.
     
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    I wouldn't fork over $10 to buy this piece of crap. The only thing this does that my slingbox doesn't is transfer shows which is a feature that's completely useless to me because of all the copy protectoon.
     
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    So you have a crappy cable company, how is that TiVo's problem?
     
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    It's Tivo's problem because customers having a cable companies that restrict copying limits the utility and marketability of the Stream.
     
  19. Dan203

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    Actually I have both a Slingbox and the TiVo Stream and I can tell you the TiVo Stream does a LOT better for streaming to my iPad inside the home. The quality is better and the control is significantly better. The Slingbox has a serious lag that makes FFing through commercials nearly impossible, the Sling responds almost instantly to commands.

    Obviously each product has it's strengths... The Slingbox can stream outside the home and the TiVo Stream can transfer recordings. But where they overlap I think the Stream is better. However you need to decide what you plan to use it for and pick the one that best suits your needs. I don't think either device would qualify as a "piece of crap".

    Dan
     
  20. Dpordy99

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    I have the slingbox HD and the quality looks pretty damn good on HQ mode

    I do agree that fast forwarding through commercials is annoying on sling. I ended up using the 30 second skip button instead of actually forwarding, however I'm not going to pay money for a better fast forward, that's the silverware. The meat & potatoes for me is does this allow you to download your shows to your iPad and can you stream outside of your home network? It does none of those things

    Now if I had 4 teenagers and a wife and only 1 TV maybe I'd think this is the greatest thing ever. But again Cox advanced TV Pretty much the same thing and it's free
     

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