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"Pay-per-view Access"??

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by jacksonian, Aug 21, 2013.

  1. jacksonian

    jacksonian New Member

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    On the official Roamio page comparing features of the three models, it has a feature that says "Pay-per-view Access" with a thumbs up for all 3 models. Does that mean I can finally use my TiVo to order a PPV event like a UFC fight? Or can I at least call and order the event and watch it on Roamio? I can't find any further explanation on this or any threads about it here.

    I have TWC and currently have to drag their DVR out of the closet and hook it up to order and receive the PPV event.

    Thanks,
    Brent
     
  2. Tico

    Tico Bear Down Cats!!!!!

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    All TiVo have always been able to do this. It is the cable company that either let's you do it or not.
     
  3. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Maybe they're referring to Amazon?

    In some places you can access PPV by calling in the order over the phone and then simply tuning to the proper channel, but that's mostly been replaced by VOD in most areas. The only areas where TiVo can access VOD are a few special Comcast markets where they have Xfinity. Basically these markets expose their VOD servers to the internet so TiVo can send the request/control commands over the internet rather then via 2-way communication over coax. cox and Charter have said they were working on similar technologies, but you never know with these MSOs when/if these things will actually land ir if they'll be available in your area if they actually do.
     
  4. innocentfreak

    innocentfreak Active Member

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    You have always been able to access PPV if it airs on a specific channel rather than on demand. My friend used to order the UFC events all the time. You just have to call or order online and find out what channel you need to tune to.
     
  5. SugarBowl

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    I've always been able to call up Time Warner and order the college football Saturday pass and Tivo would tune it.
     
  6. bareyb

    bareyb Under Maintenance TCF Club

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    Apparently, this has changed with Comcast in my area. I tried to order a UFC PPV last month and was told they "no longer support CableCard PPV's" by the tech on CHAT. Said there was "no way for me to access the PPV" with a TiVo UNLESSS you have one of their own branded DVRS in the house and activated...

    In the past, I used to call up and could see it on "All Boxes" including my TiVos, but I also had a Comcast box at the same time. Once I got rid of the Comcast box I can (apparently) no longer order them and see them on my TiVos.
     
  7. innocentfreak

    innocentfreak Active Member

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    They usually say this. You have to ask them what channel it is on.
     
  8. bareyb

    bareyb Under Maintenance TCF Club

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    They kept telling me I needed a Comcast DVR on my account for it to work. I USED to do it all the time so I know it's possible. Does it work for you without having a Comcast Box on your account?
     
  9. innocentfreak

    innocentfreak Active Member

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    I have FiOS, but that is the same thing they always told us. It is always possible they updated/changed something that broke it.
     
  10. bareyb

    bareyb Under Maintenance TCF Club

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    I'll try again next time there's a UFC and this time I'll call in instead of CHAT. See what happens. I think they'd be fools not to allow it. It's money in their own pockets.
     
  11. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    If they switched their PPV to pure VOD then you wouldn't be able to do this any more. While VOD still uses an actual channel to broadcast those channels are typically hidden from the CableCARD so you wouldn't be able to actually tune it on a TiVo with a CableCARD installed. If you removed the CableCARD and reran GS you could enter the QAM channel manually (i.e. 74-2) but the channel is probably assigned by their system based on whatever is open so they may not even know which channel to tell you to tune.

    If you watch a lot of PPV or VOD you should get a HD box from you cable company. Usually one is included free with your package anyway.
     
  12. bareyb

    bareyb Under Maintenance TCF Club

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    An HD box is free, but if you want a DVR (so you can record it) it costs about 18 bucks a month as I recall. Add to that the cost of a UFC PPV ($55.00) and it gets' pretty pricey. It sounds like even if you had the free HD Box, you still wouldn't be able to record to TIVo. Add to that, that TiVos DELETE the recording after 90 minutes whether you have watched it or not, and you begin to understand why so many people simply download UFC events for free...
     
  13. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Most VOD purchases are available for 24 hours and the boxes themselves have the ability to pause, RW, etc... Not sure if that applies to events like a UFC fight, but that's how it works when you rent a movie.
     
  14. bareyb

    bareyb Under Maintenance TCF Club

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    I've never seen a UFC Event offered "On Demand" until a few days after the live event is over. They have always had it as a PPV in the 800's in the channel guide when I've done it. It used to be you could order it over the phone and then the PPV channel would work. Then the Red Flag would begin to flash in "My Shows" letting you know you have 90 minutes to complete the PPV or lose it. Really sucked... especially when you consider that the Comcast DVR does not delete it at all and lets you keep it for as long as you like.

    Another case of the Cable Companies making it a PITA to use TiVo, while their own boxes are unhampered. Although in this case, I think TiVo had to make some deal with the devil in order to get the HUMAX agreement and now they are stuck with a crappy deal that they never needed to make. :rolleyes:
     
  15. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Are you talking about a S2 TiVo or an HD model? Because the protection they use is completely different.

    The S2 TiVos used a version of Macrovision which was basically a signal inserted into the VBI signal (where captions are stored) that told TiVo the protection status. There are $20 VBI strippers you can put between the cablebox and the TiVo that will prevent the TiVo from ever getting the signal that tells it to delete the recording.

    The S3/S4/S5 TiVos are all required to adhere to the CCI bit laid out in the CableCARD specification. Since they record the digital bitstream directly there is no stripper to turn that off. (although S3 units can be hacked to disable it) However the Comcast DVR should be required to follow the same rules. The whole point of making them use CableCARDs was to eliminate disparities like this between MSO boxes and retail devices. If they're ignoring the flag then I think they are in violation of the FCC rules.
     
  16. tvn

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    I have spent hours on the phone about this. I Executive Produce PPV events and own the rights to my shows. They tell me its a rights holder issue, which it clearly isn't. It is the CCI bytes code and they say they have no way to change it. And, like you said, you can record and save with their box and with any DIRECTV DVR. So this is clearly a FCC violation of the Cable Card rules. What can we do about it? I considered the X1 or Genie just so I can save my PPV events. I have added DIRECTV many times, just so I could save my events.
     
  17. mattack

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    If *you* own the rights to the shows, why don't YOU officially contact the FCC?
     
  18. zundian

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    As an exec, can't you just get a physical copy of the PPV from your company?

    Unless you don't record the PPVs for later sale via DVD/Blu-Ray, which seems unlikely.
     
  19. juvi77

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    I was wondering about this supposed PPV feature and figured they just meant the On Demand PPV movies and not live event PPVs like UFC & WWE. I've never been able to view a live UFC through my Premiere. I've always had to use my Comcast cablebox I only keep specifically for this purpose. It hasn't mattered if I've ordered online, through my remote, or chatted with a rep. I've never been able to have the channel activated on my TiVo Premiere. I've been dealing with this for years and its really the only issue I have with the Premiere set up now that I can do Xfinity On Demand in my area.

    I don't know how many times I've been told by Comcast reps that I'll be able to view a live PPV event on both of my boxes and it only ever shows up on my Comcast cablebox and never the Premiere.
     
  20. jacksonian

    jacksonian New Member

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    That has always been my exact same experience with TWC. I was told I could watch it on my TiVo after ordering by phone, but nope. So I keep one of their boxes in the closet for those events. Oh well, I was hoping this was some new improvement.
     

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