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Pause Buffer

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by --Scott--, Jul 14, 2014.

  1. --Scott--

    --Scott-- New Member

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    I have a Roamio Plus. Is there a way to increase the pause buffer from 30 minutes to something like 2 hours? 30 minutes seems extremely low for a device that can record up to 300 hours of HD content. It seems a simple option in settings would resolve this. i.e. stating times (30 minutes, 1 hour, 2 hours, etc) or percent of available space (10% of free space, 20%, 30%, etc).
     
  2. Diana Collins

    Diana Collins Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    It wasn't that simple back in the days when we could hack the software (lengthening the buffer was easy, getting the progress bar to behave correctly was the issue). But we can't get at the software any longer so I don't think there is a way to this anymore.
     
  3. jrtroo

    jrtroo Chill- its just TV

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    No. Hit record and then it should capture the show.
     
  4. --Scott--

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    That's an option, but just not convenient to record a show and then have to fast-forward to the point that could have been paused, and then delete it. We have a huge hard drive and pausing for longer than 30 minutes shouldn't be a big deal. It just curious why such a low buffer was programmed into the TiVo for no practical reason.
     
  5. Diana Collins

    Diana Collins Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    History...it's always been 30 minutes, all the way back to the original TiVo.
     
  6. --Scott--

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    I would love the ability to tweak the settings myself. Being a purchased item that we own, it would be a nice to have this option.

    Thanks!
     
  7. Diana Collins

    Diana Collins Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Back when we had DirecTiVos (Tivos built for the DirecTV service) I had hacked the buffers to 90 minutes each (the DirecTiVos were roughly equivalent to a Series 2 Dual Tuner). The DirecTV DVRs buffer for an hour, which is, IMHO, the minimum that's really useful. But the TiVos have other advantages over the alternatives, so we just have to learn to press record more often.
     
  8. jrtroo

    jrtroo Chill- its just TV

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    It should remember the pause point, though sometimes it does not. Or, clear the buffer and then pause.

    6 tuners at 30 minutes each starts to take some space. Tivo decided to not have a longer buffer, so recording is always the safer bet. Its not a big deal, just hit record.
     
  9. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    Recording is much easier than relying on the bufer. All it takes is an errant button press and poof, the buffer is gone.
     
  10. Chris Gerhard

    Chris Gerhard Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I have poofed a couple of buffers I didn't want poofed so I learned long ago to hit record if I want to have the buffer available for a while. Deleting a recording isn't difficult. I also think 30 minute buffer is the proper choice, everything considered, an hour or two with smaller stock hard drives would have too much space dedicated for buffering.
     
  11. --Scott--

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    I think I'll hit the record button as suggested. The risk of changing the channel and losing the buffer is greater than just hitting record. :p

    Thanks again to all that helped with this.
     
  12. aridon

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    Variable buffer for the tuner you're actively tuning would be nice. No reason it should be 30 minutes unless you're tapped for space.

    The non active tuners 30 minutes is more than adequate.
     
  13. FitzAusTex

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    I, too, wish we could have a setting for this. Been dozens of times over the past 5 months where I sat down in front of TV when a show was past the 30 minutes point and couldn't rewind to the very beginning to a show I didn't know I was going to be interested in watching. My previous dvr had a 60 minute buffer and finding it difficult to adjust to 30 minutes.

    Also wish that when watching within the 30 minute buffer (delayed), we didn't have to pause when swapping btwn tunners. I'm a constant tuner swapper, especially during competing sports events and countless times I've messed up pausing btwn swapping and have jumped to live, which revealed score results I didn't want to know yet. Again previous dvr retained delay point btwn swaps.

    Anyway, just something I miss now that I use a tivo, and my brain got highly used to for 7 years.
     
  14. jrtroo

    jrtroo Chill- its just TV

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    Hitting record helps with nearly all of those uses. Suggestions *may* help with the other.
     
  15. FitzAusTex

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    My previous dvr also warned you if you were about to "poof" out of a buffer (if not viewing it at live point) . Very handy, although I'm sure some would find it annoying. I preferred the warning.
     
  16. jrtroo

    jrtroo Chill- its just TV

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    If you hit record, you will get the same warning (when all tuners are in use, that is).

    I would put this on the annoying side, personally, as managing the buffer is a PITA compared to just recording everything (including sports).
     
  17. --Scott--

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    It's a preference item. Some prefer to record instead of pause....but at some point it makes the pause button less meaningful. The point is that it would be nice to be able to pause for longer periods. There is no technical reason for not being able to do so. We all use our TiVo's in variable ways that suit our needs. In this instance a longer pause time would meet some and recording would suit others. I prefer to pause and look at having to record as a workaround and a waste of the available 250GB remaining DVR disk space. This is a small request with what should be a fairly simple solution for TiVo to implement.

    I can have 6 simultaneous recording going on, but can't pause for more than 30 minutes. I know it's how it's always been, but perhaps it's time for a change....or at least a user-definable option.
     
  18. jrtroo

    jrtroo Chill- its just TV

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    There is a technical reason- it has not been designed that way. I'm helping show how to get around the approach tivo has taken.

    You can totally pause for as long as you want, with it recorded. Having longer default buffers digs way deeper into the capacity than recording a few additional shows does. User configuration would be nice, and would quiet the buffer managers out there, but is more difficult to implement and educate folks on. As an appliance, Tivo has tried to keep things as simple as possible, which to them means fixed buffers across the board.

    Fine with me either way, I'm just explaining the reality of it.
     
  19. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    I think I've already cast my vote. But, I'll cast another one anyway:

    User configurable: Allow a maximum total that doesn't make TiVo's stone-age core DVR functions crash, and let the users decide if they even want all 4 or 6 tuners always buffering, and for how long within that "doesn't crash the TiVo" range, on those that are buffering. More buffer seems possible, since tuner counts increased, without losing buffer length per tuner. Less buffer, or no buffer seems entirely doable. I just don't see TiVo ever giving us features that the average luddite can't figure-out how to set, or won't realize something worked out the way it did, due to how they set it.

    There are times I'd like 1 channel buffering for 2 hours, and the other three doing no buffering at all. For now, I just tune the other three to SD music channels that amount to less than 500MB over a 4 hour time period. I used to just tune to non-existent channels for no buffering. But, that lead to reboots once TAs rolled-out (either by-design, or who knows why).
     
  20. Diana Collins

    Diana Collins Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    No, that is a design issue...there is no technical reason it can't be more. As I noted earlier, in the days when we could get access to the database all you really needed to do was to replace a single value to increase (or decrease) the length of the buffer (IOW, it is already, or at least was, a software setting). I never saw it crash the TiVo, but the progress bar frequently showed some odd results.

    Even on a 6 tuner Roamio, the extra space is only 3 hours of recording time to increase the buffer from 30 to 60 minutes. If it were a configuration option, you could decide how to set it based on your usage pattern. To make the progress bar issue easier, restrict it to a few fixed options, like 15 minutes, 30 minutes, 1 hour, 1.5 hours or 2 hours. If you are a mostly "record it" sort of person, you can set it short. But the 2 hour setting would be ideal for movie lovers who might come in on the middle or even near the end of an interesting movie and still be able to rewind to the beginning.

    Suggestions is a great feature, but it doesn't replace a longer buffer.
     

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