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Out of home streaming

Discussion in 'TiVo Stream' started by Dan203, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    Well, streaming live TV actually doesn't work at all on the Stream. You have to initiate a recording, then you can start to stream that recording locally.

    I do not expect this to change - if they add streaming outside the home to the TiVo Stream and the Premier line, it will only support streaming of recorded content. Exactly they way it works today.

    My concern is quality.

    If you are looking for Netflix style stream quality, I think we will be disapointed. You have two bottlenecks - upload from your local environment and download from the internet. I will guarentee that your (the royal your) jacked up network setup is going to choke and cough a lot with this setup.
     
  2. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Well-Known Member

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    Ya streaming outside of my home is a non-starter for me. I have to use frontier DSL (no other option) and my upload speeds (tested to a local frontier server) never get above 0.35 Mbps.
     
  3. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    They said they will have downloads outside the home as well, so maybe you'll still be able to, slowly, download a show outside the home. Probably better to do that before you leave, but if something doesn't air until after you're on your trip it'll be an option.
     
  4. Austin Bike

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    What is this "live TV" that people talk of? Is that the thing with all of the commercials?

    I think the only time I ever watch live TV is for football games. If I am in a hotel in Beijing or Moscow I just want access to recorded TV. Live TV is fairly worthless for me because the time zones are screwy.
     
  5. mattack

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    I think it's more than a possibility.

    The reviewers *have* been using a Tivo Stream with this capability..

    Yes, *technically* they could be using a mockup running on the Stream that will only officially come out on the Roamio.. but I don't think so.. Esp since the low end Roamio doesn't have a built in Stream.
     
  6. zgamer

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    Technically it does work now...if you have the pipe and can place a vpn tunnel in-front of the mini back to where the main tivo is. Most people don't have the large upload pipes currently for it.
     
  7. Austin Bike

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    Yeah, upload pipe is an issue today, but Austin gets google fiber next year
     
  8. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I noticed last night there was an ad for the Roamio on the discovery bar of my Premiere. I clicked it just to check it out and one of the things they were advertising was outside the home streaming coming this Fall. So if they don't follow through on this I would be shocked. It seems like it's one of the core features they're using to sell the new unit.
     
  9. ShayL

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    Didn't the prerelease reviewers test the out of home streaming?
     
  10. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Engadget did. Must have been a beta, but at least we know they're working on it.
     
  11. ShayL

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    That is encouraging. I would be interesting if it can replace my slingbox. I doubt it, but it would be nice.
     
  12. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    You should be able to once it's released. Although there was a weird blurb about how outside the home streaming may be blocked by the copyright holder, so there could be some unforeseen limitation that could ruin it's utility. We'll have to wait and see what happens there.
     
  13. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I just saw an interview with some guy from the WSJ who got to test the out of home streaming. He specifically mentioned that "some premium channels" don't want to let you stream outside the home. So it sounds like there is going to be a limitation on this. I wonder if it'll use the CCI bit or some other criteria to decide what can and cannot be streamed outside the home?
     
  14. ahwman

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    I read the same interview and I suspect that by "Premium Channels" he was referring to pay channels such as "HBO", "Showtime", etc. Otherwise, "Out of home streaming" would be practically worthless since MOST channels for me at least are marked as copy once. I pasted another beta tester's comments below:

    Another problem: Some premium networks, like HBO and Showtime, couldn't be streamed out of the home. TiVo explains this is because of the networks' polices, over which it has no control. But the TiVo app, like others out there, could include an authentication feature that would tell these networks you subscribe to them, which typically allows you to stream them to a mobile device.
     
  15. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    So do you think TiVo has direct deals with various networks to block or allow streaming? Or do you think these testers just happen to live in areas where the cable company only blocks the premium channels?
     
  16. ahwman

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    It's hard to say since neither TiVo nor beta testers are clear as to what will be allowed. I even emailed Margret@tivo.com and she wasn't sure how it would work. That said, I'm thinking that premium channels carry a special identifier which would disable streaming for that particular channel. Perhaps we can direct this question to one of the beta testers for clarification. The selling point of out of home streaming is in jeopardy if all copy once channels are blocked. Quite honestly, it amazes me how these content providers get away with locking down their programming so tight, what are they so afraid of? The world will end if you and I stream a rerun of Giligan's Island to our iPads... :D
     
  17. Beryl

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    I'd like to reduce the number of things networked in my house and connected to my televisions also but don't think it will happen any time soon given my experience with the Stream and TiVo.
    This is why I expect to be still using my Slingbox and Vulkano through 2015. The Stream will be a faster way to get some content on my mobile device but not for streaming from my TiVo.

    Sorry for sounding like a Debbie Downer and I really hope I'm wrong.
     
  18. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    No such identifier exists. There are basically 3 flags in CableCARD DRM. Copy Freely, Copy Once and Copy Never. Copy Freely is self explianatory. Copy Once means a DVR can record one copy, but after that the flag is changed to Copy No More. Copy Never allows a show to be recorded but it can only be retained for 90 minutes then it has to be automatically deleted.

    So unless TiVo can maintain some sort of list of channels and flag the guide data the only way they can block anything is based on the Copy Once flag. And if they do that then it's basically no different then the Download option except that you don't actually have to download anything.
     
  19. spaldingclan

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    Glad I'm ota only. Don't even think about cci stuff
     
  20. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    It's illegal for cable companies to protect anything transmitted OTA even if it's rebroadcast on cable, so cable users always have access to the same channels you do. What they may not have access to are all the other channels they pay for. Most cable companies only protect the premium channels, but some are d*cks and protect everything.
     

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