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Orphan Black 6/14/14 “Things Which Have Never Yet Been Done”

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Rob Helmerichs, Jun 14, 2014.

  1. madscientist

    madscientist Deregistered Snoozer

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    Well, not all those little kids Helena was playing with, surely.
     
  2. getbak

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    That's something that has bothered me since the first episode. Sarah watched one video of Beth a few times and was suddenly able to take over Beth's life so well that it fooled both her boyfriend/monitor and her police partner.

    At least Rachel has met and talked to Sarah in person. Sarah had nothing to go on with Beth other than the video and her wardrobe.
     
  3. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

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    I cracked up when they stuck the body in the freezer and then Alison just loaded all their food right back in in top of it.

    But burying the body in the garage was about the stupidest thing they could do. First, using a jackhammer in their suburban neighborhood would attract all kinds of attention. Second, they didn't even cover the windows to prevent anyone from looking in. Third, they did it when their kids were home. Fourth, they now have an obvious body-shaped patch in their garage concrete (unless they skimmed a new coat of concrete over the whole floor, which they didn't do.

    And all of that is without even mentioning that many garage floors are made with post-tension slabs that will lose their structural integrity if you cut into them.
     
  4. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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    There were seams in the concrete, and it looked like they were spreading the new concrete out to the seam.
     
  5. philw1776

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    Regarding the hole in the garage floor, it's a TV show and it has a comic bent.

    I mean does anyone here think that we could clone humans back in the early 1990s?
     
  6. stellie93

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    So then Rachel thinks that Leekie has probably escaped, since she didn't have him killed?

    And that's not incriminating. ;)

    Yeah, I laughed at that. Nobody's going to be eating that food. :D
     
  7. Dawghows

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    Oh, I don't know. Something tells me Allison is a person who's really good at wrapping food for the freezer. I bet there's no possibility whatsoever for cross-contamination.
     
  8. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

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    Exactly. Alison is extremely practical and she strikes me as one that wouldn't be phased by it. No reason to throw out perfectly good food just because there was food and a body in the same freezer.
     
  9. tivoboyjr

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    I would throw out the food and the freezer.
     
  10. john4200

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    No worries unless Leekie was leaky.
     
  11. madscientist

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    Yep. She told him to run, and not to go back to his apartment, etc. And he did run, and didn't go back to his apartment. I don't know why she should be suspicious... or even care, really, where he is.

    I'm not sure how that plotline would ever resurface in any way, given the situation they have now. Maybe if something else happens, like someone checks Donnie's car for bloodstains for some reason, or they decide they need Leekie back and try to track him down (but it would have to be soon when they still have a chance of getting surveillance footage), then maybe it will become an issue.
     
  12. danterner

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    He was congealed, so it's all good.

    I loved the pink duct tape.
     
  13. Ment

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    Well not now that they've had kinky sex on top of it it. :)
     
  14. telemark

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    There must have been some hints written into the scene (for the audience) because I was at first intrigued why Sarah would be speaking in Rachel's accent, and then gasped in shock when I realized it must be Rachel. This is just moments before Felix's phone rang.

    The type of cloning needed for the show plot, is surprisingly simple. For some reason, it's not discussed widely, like a black sheep of the science world. It can be done with the equivalent to artificial twinning, and we could do this soon after IVF was invented. The main thing preventing the scenario is ethical restrictions.

    I remember being told about this technique in the 80's.

    > Separating an Embryo The simplest way to make clones is making twins, which have the exact same DNA. This can be achieved by separating the embryo and duplicating one into two. Using this technique one can make perfectly identical twins. Embryo splitting or blastomere separation ... was attempted by Hall and Stillman in 1993. They used embryos that contained too much genetic information and got as far as 32-cell divisions in some the embryos. At this stage the embryo can be implanted in the womb. In theory it is possible to make triplets, quadruplets and even more using the same method. But in reality it is impossible to make more than four duplicates from one embryo. Trying to make more than four clones at the same time results in the death of the embryos. This technology has been used for stockbreeding for many years.

    NY Times Coverage: Scientist clones human embryos and creates an ethical challenge

    Natural Identical Quadruplets: http://columbiametro.com/Columbia-Metro/May-2012/Life-as-Quadruplets/
     
  15. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

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    But these aren't merely split embryos. They are genetically engineered to be infertile and they have special coding in their DNA sequence. Is that something that was possible in the 80s or early 90s?
     
  16. john4200

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    So, you are implying that it is not the cloning that was groundbreaking, but the genetic engineering?

    I'll note that the genetic engineering, while very difficult technologically, is not very impressive from a practical standpoint. It does not appear to have done anything to the clones that most people would consider positive.
     
  17. danterner

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    They seem to heal pretty well, as does Kara.
     
  18. john4200

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    Kira?

    Other than perhaps Helena, I do not see any special healing abilities of the clones that could not be attributed to the usual TV trope of characters healing faster than real life.

    And the clones do not seem to heal very well at all from respiratory disease (or whatever that is that they seem to suffer from).
     
  19. danterner

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    Yes, sorry, Kira. She (and Helena) seem to me to have a faster-than-trope healing factor. I know Helena's wounds weren't fatal because her organs are mirrored, but it seems she's still healed awfully fast on a number of occasions. And Kira bounced back from her car accident very well. The other clones haven't been as accident-prone, so we haven't had as much opportunity to see it in them.
     
  20. Dawghows

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    Yes, but I have just assumed that we are supposed...well...assume that all the clones have similar healing abilities, based on having seen the evidence in Helena and Kira. (Of course I realize Kira is not a clone, but I'm generalizing.)
     

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