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Orphan Black 5/18/13 "Entangled Bank"

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Rob Helmerichs, May 18, 2013.

  1. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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    Well, I've come to the conclusion that this is a somewhat goofier and dumber show than I had hoped. But that's OK...it's a GOOD goofy and dumb.

    They do love their classical farce, and they do it so well. And they do love not even going to Wikipedia to research their science (identical twins don't share fingerprints; I thought everybody knew that!). But it's still a lot of fun. I like that things actually move along, that people actually talk to each other. And of course Maslany continues to astonish. It's just too bad there are only two episodes left this season.
     
  2. john4200

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    Still no explanation for why the foster mother ran to this city where there are other clones. If she is Sarah's watcher, then she is an even better liar than Alison's husband -- she did a thoroughly convincing job of pretending she knew nothing about clones. Or she really knew nothing. Paul knew nothing about clones despite being a watcher, but Sarah's foster mother ran to a city with clones in it so it seems like she should know something.

    In case it was not clear already, now we know for sure. Dr. Leekie is a baaaad man.

    That was one of the more realistic looking hit-by-a-car scenes I have watched in quite a while. I am referring mostly to the lead up, not the actual contact (which seemed about average).

    Three of the four clones got laid this episode. I guess blondes don't have more fun after all -- scientific proof.
     
  3. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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    I'm not sure Sarah has a watcher...Dr. Headroom seemed surprised at her existence. And the Observatrice didn't blow her cover vis-à-vis Kira; I suspect Dr. Headroom is going to get even more interested when he finds out a clone (?) has spawned.
     
  4. john4200

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    If Kira survives, I guess the incident will draw Leekie's attention to Kira.

    Hopefully they explain that Leekie (or someone) altered the clones to make them infertile. Because there is no good reason that clones should not be able to reproduce normally unless they were intentionally altered.
     
  5. Rob Helmerichs

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    Although IRL clones tend to have a lot of defects, and who knows how that would be interpreted by people who think identical twins have identical fingerprints? ;)
     
  6. cheesesteak

    cheesesteak Meh.

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    Bad Kira! Dumb Kira!

    It always catches my ear how Allison says the word "Donnie".

    The street fight made me chuckle.

    Looks like Mrs. S. isn't a baddie after all.

    This has become one of my favorite shows. Good characters AND stuff happens every episode. Hope the ratings reflect it.
     
  7. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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    Yeah, it's interesting how they developed the character without ever really changing anything about her...purely through perception.

    This may be a dumb-science show, but it's pretty smart about people.
     
  8. john4200

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    Obviously someone in the production knows that twin fingerprints are not identical:

    So the question is not whether the clones' fingerprints are identical, but whether the quality of the fingerprints that the police have is good enough, and whether their automated matching system is accurate enough to distinguish the prints.

    An empirical study found that a biometrics system can reliably distinguish good-quality twin fingerprints, although they did get a larger number of false positives with twins unless they raised the threshold criterion for matching [1]. But they also conclude that:

    I think we can conclude that if any of the fingerprints the police had were of poor quality, or if they have the automated matching system set to a low threshold matching criterion, then it is possible that the twins fingerprints may come up as a match. But if they gave the two sets of fingerprints to an expert to study, the expert would certainly be able to distinguish them.

    Here is a picture where you can see the fingerprints of twins are similar but not identical:

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    [1] http://biometrics.cse.msu.edu/Publications/Fingerprint/JainetalTwinFpTechReport00.pdf
     
  9. cheesesteak

    cheesesteak Meh.

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    This is tv. I'm better off not wondering too much about real world science vs. tv show science.

    We got a little bit of an explanation as to what the show's title means. Orphans in the black.
     
  10. Steveknj

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    Yep, that's what I always say. I was wondering about the fingerprint thing, and I knew that would have been brought up.

    So why the attraction between the kid Kira and the blonde crazy clone? I kind of got the feeling that Kira was not Sarah's daughter but hers. Maybe there's something to that.
     
  11. john4200

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    Huh? Then where is Sarah's daughter, and how did Kira get switched for her daughter without Sarah noticing?
     
  12. Rob Helmerichs

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    Yeah, it seems to me that Sarah would remember not giving birth to Kira... :D
     
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    I don't think so. I think it was just more of Helena's idea that Sarah has stolen her life.
     
  14. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

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    I don't know. There's a lot about this show we don't know yet. Maybe Kira was an adopted daughter. Probably not. Anyway, I just got that vibe from her, but maybe it's just as stated, it's a jealousy thing between Sarah and her.
     
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    This may be a dumb question but what year is this show supposed to take place? I have always assumed present day and haven't paid complete attention to the tech they've been using but had thought they had modern cellphones and computers. But the music has been heavily 90's stuff with Meredith Brooks' ***** highlighted in this episode, I'm guessing the rights for those songs is cheaper than more current stuff.
     
  16. trainman

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    Yes, it's definitely present day (if not "15 minutes into the future," given the presence of Matt Frewer).

    But Canada is about 15 years behind the times. :D
     
  17. Hunter Green

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    I felt that they kind of caught their own mistake and tried to handwave it away in this episode with the comments about "close enough to flag a match" which is not at all adequate, but at least they're trying. Honestly, though, while I've been annoyed with this point since it first came up, it's a pretty small fumble on the scale of this show, compared to how much they haven't gotten wrong.

    I don't have a problem with a character like Allison listening to 90s music instead of more current stuff, really. It is odd how they've avoided anything current in general, but then, music hasn't been a big part of the show anyway. But that song was so right for that scene, it just had such the right vibe.
     
  18. dianebrat

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    yep, after all the 80's didn't reach them until 1996 ;)
     
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    Article from Tvline on this episode.

    http://tvline.com/2013/05/25/orphan-black-tatiana-maslany-performer-of-the-week/

    I'm really curious as to what her Emmy chances are. A small sci-fi show shown on Saturday night on BBC America normally wouldn't stand a chance but Tatiana Maslany has been amazing.
     
  20. Rob Helmerichs

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    I don't know how many times an episode I forget it's all the same actor. Even the ones that more or less look alike.
     

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