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OOH Streaming Countdown

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by Bierboy, Oct 21, 2013.

  1. Oct 24, 2013 #81 of 179
    rainwater

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    I'm guessing it is using UPnP so you probably don't need to forward ports unless your router doesn't support it.
     
  2. Oct 24, 2013 #82 of 179
    moyekj

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    That's the step that probably sets up port forwarding or using UPnP like Slingbox. I don't have an iOS device (or Android for that matter) to test this with so can't see what it actually does in terms of port forwarding setup. Somebody else can report on that.

    This capability in general is not much use to me unless/until client can be a web browser as I don't have/want a cell phone or tablet.
     
  3. Oct 24, 2013 #83 of 179
    bayern_fan

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    Can someone with a Roamio Plus/Pro confirm what is blocked from OOH streaming? Preferably someone on Cablevision, but I imagine anyone with a "copy once" CCI bit channel (like FXX) might do. Thanks in advance!
     
  4. Oct 24, 2013 #84 of 179
    rainwater

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    I think ports are already setup. Probably what requiring each device to be setup on the home network does is activate that device for use for streaming outside the network. So you can't just give out your user id/password to anyone to stream from your TiVo.
     
  5. Oct 24, 2013 #85 of 179
    SugarBowl

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    Yeah. really disappointing for us Time Warner folks that pay $100+ per month for television.
     
  6. Oct 24, 2013 #86 of 179
    Ryan Nelson

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    OOH Streaming is working great!
    I was a bit surprised it just worked so easily with no fuss - no router config, etc. Nice.
     
  7. Oct 24, 2013 #87 of 179
    Kobewan

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    I'm on Cox Cable, not Cablevision, but can confirm that the CCI byte flag that prevents you from downloading a show while you're at home also prevents you from streaming (or downloading of course) while you are OOH. So whatever channels are CCI Byte protected from downloading at home won't be available for you for streaming outside the home. Pretty restrictive for those of us with conservative cablecos, but not surprising as content providers typically want more money from the Cable Co for the rights to deliver their content over the internet. TiVo is being careful to not get sued for "re-broadcasting" content over the internet that the CableCo has marked as restricted.

    As far the question about MPEG4 channels, no dice, they still can't be streamed to iOS devices. :(
     
  8. Oct 24, 2013 #88 of 179
    bayern_fan

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    Streaming != copying so the CCI bit shouldn't apply here. Why must they make this so difficult. "Roam freely" in their PR statement is such nonsense.

    P.R. Upset with this kind of restrictive nonsense, not you haha
     
  9. Oct 24, 2013 #89 of 179
    DeltaOne

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    Streaming worked fine for me. Quality here at work was like blurry SD, while the quality at home on my LAN was like HD. Haven't tried OOH downloading yet.
     
  10. Oct 24, 2013 #90 of 179
    moyekj

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    That's what I was most curious about - how it deals with and looks with < 2 Mbps streams. Latest Slingbox models do a pretty good job picture wise but remote control press delay can get ridiculous (20 seconds or more). Upstream speed for my ISP level of service is only 2 Mbps and even the top tier is only 5 Mbps.
     
  11. Oct 24, 2013 #91 of 179
    Wiggly

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    Something I found interesting is that I am able to watch a live stream of HBO or SHO even though I am not able to watch shows I have recorded from those channels.

    I have to say I am impressed with the quality. I am currently on wifi from a coffee shop and the picture looks pretty good on my iPhone.
     
  12. Oct 24, 2013 #92 of 179
    bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    You are able to stream HBO? That is interesting, others are reporting that channels with the CCI Byte set are restricted.
     
  13. Oct 24, 2013 #93 of 179
    Kobewan

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    I completely agree that it is nonsense. I was very disappointed to see the little "Watch Now" box in non-clickable grey on my app this morning for a basic cable channel. It is our content that we pay a lot of money for and to restrict us from watching it remotely is wrong. I can understand (maybe) not wanting to allow the ability to output to another full-size TV outside of your home via an HDMI-out adapter, but not allowing personal viewing of your own content on your own device screen is wrong.

    I can't really blame TiVo though, since they are just providing the tool. It is the Cable Cos putting the content restriction on. I'm sure TiVo would love it if everyone could stream and download all of their content without restrictions, but we can't realistically expect them to thumb their noses at the Cable Cos and content owners and invite lawsuits.

    It's all about the money. The Cable Company sees more screens as a feature of their service and want to charge you for it and the content providers want to be paid for allowing their content to be viewed in everyway possible. Even the Cable Co's and DirecTV are treading fairly lightly here, offering limited channels outside the home on their own Apps, presumably ones they've negotiated the rights with to do so. DISH is the only one throwing caution to the wind with the SlingHopper and they are fighting active lawsuits against the content providers to do so. Our only hope is that those lawsuits go in DISH's favor and the world of on-line viewing opens up, however even then the Cable Co's will still probably restrict the content on third party devices like TiVos to push their own solutions that they can charge fees for.
     
  14. Oct 24, 2013 #94 of 179
    LoadStar

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    Ugh. You have GOT to be kidding me.

    Time Warner CCI protects *all* their channels except OTA, which means that streaming is *useless* for me.

    Hmm. I'm under the 30 day money back guarantee on the TiVo subscription... this is enough to make me consider selling this thing.
     
  15. Oct 24, 2013 #95 of 179
    tivoknucklehead

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    I cannot stream or download protected and non protected shows to my iphone 5 on wifi or LTE from my Roamio Pro

    and since 90% of my shows are protected and can't be transferred to my PC via desktop plus, even when I get this to work it will be worthless. I'll stick with my slingbox app that lets me watch anything on my Tivo and the quality is great
     
  16. Oct 24, 2013 #96 of 179
    jwbelcher

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    Really? OOH was the only reason you bought it? If so, a slingbox is cheaper and much more mature option.
     
  17. Oct 24, 2013 #97 of 179
    Kobewan

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    I hadn't tried that, only tried recorded programs and they were all greyed out for streaming or downloading while OOH, but I just tried it and you are right! I can watch any channel (except MPEG4) if it is Live, but not a recording.

    That's odd...a loophole in the CCI Byte rules? I hope it is a loophole that allows streaming of Live TV and not simply a bug in the software. :confused:
     
  18. Oct 24, 2013 #98 of 179
    jwbelcher

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    Does it still force you to start a recording before watching the live stream? If it does, I wonder how that's any different from watching a previously recorded show.
     
  19. Oct 24, 2013 #99 of 179
    DeltaOne

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    I went back and checked -- I thought I had seen quality levels for streaming. Turns out there are three quality levels for OOH downloading -- but I don't see any quality options for streaming.

    I thought using pause, play and skip was acceptable -- the response time was okay.
     
  20. NYHeel

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    Maybe they've updated the stream to use the tuner without recording the show.
     

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