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Only the cheapest one with antenna? No thanks

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by keithlm, Aug 21, 2013.

  1. Aug 22, 2013 #81 of 123
    trip1eX

    trip1eX Active Member

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    What is this large rate of customers being lost? I see very small numbers being lost compared to total subscribers. And most of those losses you hear about are probably being picked up by satellite or FiOS or even Google.

    OTA has its own problems. CAn you get signal? IF so, can your antenna pick up all the major channels from one location? IF not then you have to put a rooftop antenna up.

    And then the economics of broadcast tv are in question. Many say their future is on shakey ground.
     
  2. Aug 22, 2013 #82 of 123
    atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Well-Known Member

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    Complaining about TiVos fees is just simple complaining it cost too much. Anyone with 1/2 a brain can do a cost comparison of a TiVo with lifetime to what ever alternative is being considered. If a person feels the TiVo DVR doesn't provide a better value than what ever else is being considered the answer is simple don't buy it.

    But the reality is there are no real alternatives to TiVo in the stand alone OTA DVR market. Sure most of us here can put together a HTPC and use it for an OTA DVR but that is not what most people want and it will cost most people just as much as a new TiVo with lifetime.

    I hope Channel Master/Dish does build a good OTA DVR as I think competition is good (and the only reason TiVo offered the $9.99/mo service deal for Premiere OTA users before) but as of today the the only real competition the Roamio has in the OTA market is used Premiere and Series 3 TiVos. Anyone looking for a cheap OTA DVR should have a good selection of lower cost units as people upgrade, I am guessing the prices of Series 3 units with lifetime and upgraded hard drives will drop below $300 and Premiere units with lifetime will likely drop below $400.

    I do have hopes that TiVo will (in the near future) offer us deals where we can get the Roamio with lifetime for closer to $500 than the current $600.
     
  3. Aug 22, 2013 #83 of 123
    atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Well-Known Member

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    Many cable companies are losing subs however the overall Pay TV market (cable, satellite, & IP TV (AT&T & Verizon)) is stable and some even claim it is growing.
     
  4. Aug 22, 2013 #84 of 123
    bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    JC, I think your exagerating just a bit... Major numbers? The subscription market continues to grow quarter over quarter.

    Cable currently has 41.2 million subscribers

    [​IMG]
     
  5. Aug 22, 2013 #85 of 123
    ncbill

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    For the true cheapskates, a _used_ Series 3 w/ lifetime blows alternative like Channel Master out of the water for $250-$300 (probably less now given the Roamio's release)
     
  6. Aug 22, 2013 #86 of 123
    KrazyKiko

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    Well, I'm in your minority too - Love to get the new features of the Roamio, but since I use both OTA and "basic-basic" cable (which does feature HD, tho, through Comcrap), I don't like being pigeon holed into one or the other. This is a disappointing design...
     
  7. Aug 22, 2013 #87 of 123
    bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    But you wouldn't want to pay for both... It would have required a duplication of the tuners in your base TiVo to handle that.

    What most people do not know is that the 2 Tuner TiVo's actually has the chipset to handle 4 Tuners - two deducated to cable and two dedicated to OTA.

    So in order to make a 4 tuner TiVo that works with OTA - the dicision is either or. (or add a second chipset and hardware to support it. $$$)
     
  8. Aug 22, 2013 #88 of 123
    dlfl

    dlfl Cranky old novice

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    According to the National Cable & Telecommunications Association (NCTA) industry data at this web site:

    http://www.ncta.com/industry-data

    Overall Video Cable Customer counts (which includes analog and digital) have significantly declined. It peaked at 65.4M in 2006 and declined to 56.4M in 2012.

    Digital Video Customer counts have been growing, e.g., from 40.4M in 2008 to 46.8M in 2012

    No question about cable operator revenue from Residential Video, however. It has never declined, and reached $56.9B in 2011.

    I'm surprised. I also thought (wished) they were hurting more. :)
     
  9. Aug 22, 2013 #89 of 123
    jcthorne

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    ATT, Verizon, TW and Comcast all reported net loss of video subscriptions the last 2 quarters. The only 'major' I saw with video subs up was WOW. Not sure I saw reports from RCN. Yes there are LOTS of video subscribers but the trend is away, not toward and that was my point.
     
  10. Aug 22, 2013 #90 of 123
    ppartekim

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    Revenue typically will always either increase or remain stable as they keep raising everyone subscription prices to compensate for the those few cord cutter decreases.

    Revenue will only go down when there is a mass exodus of subscribers, which hopefully won't be too long now.. :rolleyes:
     
  11. Aug 22, 2013 #91 of 123
    ppartekim

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    I just find it funny after growing up in the NE in the 70s and only have THREE Channels plus PBS for OTA and being jealous of my CA cousins who had dozens of channels on their cable.. Now grownup and living in CA, and going thru that whole cable subscription (100s of channels) myself only to find I am now quite happy going back to old OTA with only 20+ "english" channels in glorious HD for free (well, except for the price of the rooftop Antennas).
     
  12. Aug 22, 2013 #92 of 123
    hefe

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    Yeah, I'm quite satisfied with the 4 major networks and PBS. I get a lot of other channels that don't really contribute to what I watch, just old reruns. I've deleted many from my received channel lineup, specifically any of the Spanish, religious, or shopping type channel. I still have the other minor ones in there, because you never know when you're going to need to watch a Sanford and Son or Hogan's Heroes episode...
     
  13. Aug 22, 2013 #93 of 123
    wmcbrine

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    I meant (to answer justen_m) that it's dead as far as TiVo is concerned. None of the new models has analog, and I feel safe in predicting that no future models will have it, either. The two-tuner Premieres will prove to be the last TiVos with analog support.
     
  14. Aug 22, 2013 #94 of 123
    trip1eX

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    Actually you said there is a large rate of subscribers leaving. And there just isn't. And those subscribers that are lost are going to satellite and Iptv providers according to the chart which are essentially in the same business providing similar services.
     
  15. Aug 22, 2013 #95 of 123
    jcthorne

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    Nope, Dish and DirectTV are both down for the last 2 quarters as well.
     
  16. Aug 22, 2013 #96 of 123
    DaveDFW

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  17. Aug 22, 2013 #97 of 123
    trip1eX

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    Lol. The point is the paytv market as a whole is staying steady and even slowly growing. There is no large rate of subscribers leaving as you stated.

    The market is fairly saturated at this point too. It can't grow like it did the past 10-20 years. And to get new customers you have to take them away from existing providers.

    The small losses that individual providers experience say more about market saturation than anything.
     
  18. Aug 22, 2013 #98 of 123
    Beryl

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    Agreed.

    I was serious about my earlier question though. Of cable fails, how difficult is it to reconfigure the TiVo for OTA only, assuming you have an antenna? I'm thinking about getting a backup antenna.
     
  19. Aug 22, 2013 #99 of 123
    aaronwt

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    The last number I saw, within the past week, implied that many of the subscribers lost by the cable and satellite companies were picked up by ATT and FiOS.

    http://www.tvpredictions.com/leitchtman081913.htm
     
  20. SC0TLANDF0REVER

    SC0TLANDF0REVER I Love my TiVo!

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    You only have to go through guided setup again. With OTA only, it's a much faster process too.
     

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