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Only the cheapest one with antenna? No thanks

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by keithlm, Aug 21, 2013.

  1. Aug 21, 2013 #41 of 123
    jgolden

    jgolden New Member

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    As a TimeWarner customer I found out how valuable having the OTA capability is when TimeWarner cut off CBS. I don't know how long this will go on, but I am glad I can still record some programs if I choose over the air and more over cable.
     
  2. Aug 21, 2013 #42 of 123
    hefe

    hefe Rebus Philbin

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    3.5" has been confirmed, so that's cool.
     
  3. Aug 21, 2013 #43 of 123
    crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    Exactly. That was a *HUGE* letdown for me. I use BOTH at the same time- OTA is always a much better picture and a decent backup if cable fails.

    We ARE a minority, but you are not alone.
     
  4. Aug 21, 2013 #44 of 123
    crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    Not really
     
  5. Aug 21, 2013 #45 of 123
    crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    OTA picture quality is almost always MUCH better than cable, which lowers the bitrate and re-compresses. And sometimes cable providers do not carry all the channels that are available OTA. And then there are the stupid fights and channel blackouts.

    I have been using dual on the HD and Premiere happily for years.
     
  6. Aug 21, 2013 #46 of 123
    crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    Exactly. If you want to pad, that will double your tuner usage right there, for a short time, anyway. I have been in a jam a few times with just 2 tuners.
     
  7. Aug 21, 2013 #47 of 123
    infinitespecter

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    Don't forget all of us in the middle of the TWC/CBS war. The only way I can get CBS and several other channels is OTA for the time being. Just being able to hook up an antenna and add 2-1 and 9-1 back is a big benefit.

    What i would love to see is for TiVo to do something like what Moxi did a few years ago... add support for USB OTA tuners. Those who need them could simply plug them in and those who don't won't.
     
  8. Aug 21, 2013 #48 of 123
    crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    That is an EXCELLENT idea. Even it if was a single tuner, it would make for a great addon.
     
  9. Aug 21, 2013 #49 of 123
    HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    I can tell you from first hand experience that OTA broadcasters do the exact same thing to take advantage of their ~19Mbps HD bandwidth so they can squeeze in a sub-channel or two. The NBC affiliate I worked for as the transmitter engineer took our HD channel bandwidth from about 19 to 12 Mbps. Of course who knows what comcast did to it once they received it from us.
     
  10. Aug 21, 2013 #50 of 123
    rainwater

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    In some areas, cable can actually provide the local stations at a higher quality than OTA when they get the feed from fiber. I know my local Charter doesn't compress the local OTA stations at all.
     
  11. Aug 21, 2013 #51 of 123
    crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    I have compared the bitrate from all my OTA HD stations to Cox. It was a long time ago, and I don't recall the exact numbers, but there was a huge difference. I was amazed they could re-compress (transcode) 1080i on the fly like that. It is also how they are able to add overlays if they wish.
     
  12. Aug 21, 2013 #52 of 123
    Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    That's impossible. The ATSC spec has a maximum bitrate of 19.2Mbps or 19,200 kbps. All of the above values exceed that except one. :confused:
     
  13. Aug 21, 2013 #53 of 123
    series5orpremier

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    The way I look at it, I'd have to keep my Premier XL for analog cable anyway so I have 4-6 tuners for OTA, which is what I primarily watch, and up to 2 tuners for analog cable.
     
  14. Aug 21, 2013 #54 of 123
    randywalters

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    No, that actually creates even more problems.

    That would be twice the cost to buy two Tivos.

    Twice the subscription fee (or Lifetime fee).

    The remote will operate both Tivos simultaneously so that's no good.

    Two Tivos would take up two HDMI inputs instead of just one (and there is no Component Video output on the base model so that's no help).

    Would cause you have to switch TV inputs just to switch from an OTA channel to a Cable channel.

    I don't have any of these problems with my trusty old S3 - i need to be able to simultaneously record a race on ESPN and a game on CBS OTA seamlessly like i do on my S3 and none of the Roamios can do this.
     
  15. Aug 21, 2013 #55 of 123
    Beryl

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    I may become a cord cutter so the basic model is my choice.
    I don't want to be boxed in with the other models.
    We have many in the Denver area also.
    How difficult would it be to configure it to OTA if cable fails?
     
  16. Aug 21, 2013 #56 of 123
    justen_m

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    I have a S2DT, analog cable, TivoHD, OTA Digital HD and SD (yes, there are some tiny low power stations that still broadcast analog, mostly religious channels and some sports), Digital Cable, and Analog Cable (which has some channels I don't get via digital)

    :up: I am Native American, Jewish, and now _another_ minority! :cool:

    I want a four tuner that supports OTA, analog cable and digital cable. Does any of the new offerings have that so I can replace my S2DT and TivoHD? (I need (want) four tuners on one device for easy scheduling).
     
  17. Aug 21, 2013 #57 of 123
    wmcbrine

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    Analog is dead.
     
  18. Aug 21, 2013 #58 of 123
    crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    Hmm, right you are. I pasted it right from my notes, so I am not sure what happened. I can't remember six years ago! I will strike it from my other posting.
     
  19. Aug 21, 2013 #59 of 123
    JohnnyO

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    Thanks. I think we need to create a support group.
     
  20. Aug 21, 2013 #60 of 123
    crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    And a 10 step program...
     

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