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Only the cheapest one with antenna? No thanks

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by keithlm, Aug 21, 2013.

  1. Aug 21, 2013 #1 of 123
    keithlm

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    Only the cheapest of these new devices lets me use a regular off the air antenna?

    Mark me down for a "no" on this one. (And if they don't soon come out with something to update what I have now... it might be a "no" to my monthly account as it is.)

    Who was the genius at Tivo that decided to alienate a huge amount of people and perhaps lose a lot of business in the future? (And these people get paid to make choices like this? It boggles the mind.)
     
  2. Aug 21, 2013 #2 of 123
    wmcbrine

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    I think it's just based on the features of the available chipsets. But I dunno. Most of the demand for multi-tuner devices is from cable companies, so the chips to support a six-tuner device are more available for that.
     
  3. Aug 21, 2013 #3 of 123
    innocentfreak

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    Until someone posts a photo of the internals of the Roamio we won't really know how different the layout needed to be for OTA.

    You can see a shot of the Pro in this thread.
     
  4. Aug 21, 2013 #4 of 123
    jalaram

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    True, maybe they can get a 4-tuner for ATSC easily, but not a 6-tuner one.
     
  5. Aug 21, 2013 #5 of 123
    JohnnyO

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    My frustration is that even with the OTA-capable box, it is EITHER cable OR OTA, not both at the same time.

    I'm losing a key feature from my older TiVos, but I did decide to order one anyway. I would have gladly paid for the Plus or Pro if it had the ability to do OTA and Cable. I guess I'm in a tiny minority.
     
  6. Aug 21, 2013 #6 of 123
    Tico

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    I don't think anyone has a more than 4tuner ota chip available. That is likely the bottleneck.
     
  7. Aug 21, 2013 #7 of 123
    CrispyCritter

    CrispyCritter Purple Ribbon Wearer

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    That's undeniably the case. No manufacturer seems interested in pushing the frontiers of OTA any more!
     
  8. Aug 21, 2013 #8 of 123
    innocentfreak

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    Jafe who works with a company who develops PC tuners, just blanked on the name, has said in the past OTA is well behind in terms of tech when compared to cable tuners.

    I believe this is the first 4 tuner OTA device not just by TiVo but any company. I know when I looked on PC you could only get dual tuner cards for OTA.
     
  9. Aug 21, 2013 #9 of 123
    hefe

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    Is that documented somewhere? I hadn't seen it.

    In any case, as a cord cutter, I'm quite happy with a 4 tuner OTA cheap model. Seems like just what I want! :up:
     
  10. Aug 21, 2013 #10 of 123
    Tico

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    there is only one RF input so it has to be one or the other.
     
  11. Aug 21, 2013 #11 of 123
    MScottC

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    It's indicated by the fact that there is only one RF input on the back, unlike the S3 boxes which have both cable and antenna RF inputs. Also indicated by some official documentation that I've come across.
     
  12. Aug 21, 2013 #12 of 123
    innocentfreak

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    One thought I read in another thread is whether it might work with a diplexer. I would guess not, but might be worth a try for those who have both OTA and cable and bought a Roamio.

    I would guess if this worked TiVo would sell the adapter and mention it as a requirement.
     
  13. Aug 21, 2013 #13 of 123
    hefe

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    Ah, makes sense. Although, I'd think you could combine the signals on one line, but that's a complexity that most people won't deal with.
     
  14. Aug 21, 2013 #14 of 123
    Tico

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    You may be able to combine but I am sure the Tivo software isn't built for that. I am sure you will have to choose one or the other on guided setup.
     
  15. Aug 21, 2013 #15 of 123
    BiloxiGeek

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    Wouldn't you run into channel mapping issues whenever you switched the diplexer from OTA to cable and back again?
     
  16. Aug 21, 2013 #16 of 123
    innocentfreak

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    I thought some of the diplexers didn't need to be switched though and just combined the feeds.

    I have never messed with them so I am not really sure.
     
  17. Aug 21, 2013 #17 of 123
    hefe

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    I just checked the setup instructions online, and indeed, you select your source as EITHER antenna OR cable.
     
  18. Aug 21, 2013 #18 of 123
    BiloxiGeek

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    You might be right, I've seen them in use but never on any of my systems so I'm not sure exactly how the nuts & bolts all tie together. It was just a passing thought.
     
  19. Aug 21, 2013 #19 of 123
    atmuscarella

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    I have to ask - have you thought through your comments?

    I can understand the people who use both cable and OTA wanting a new unit that can do both at the same time. But honestly if you are OTA only the new Roamio base unit is the only 4 tuner OTA DVR you can buy and from what I can see likely the best OTA DVR ever built by anyone. Turning that into a negative and a reason to leave TiVo given the alternatives available for OTA DVRs seems a little foolish to me.
     
  20. Aug 21, 2013 #20 of 123
    Doh

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    Having to choose between better streaming and OTA bothers me more than having to choose between 6 tuners and OTA.
     

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