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On demand with Roamio

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by eboydog, Jan 29, 2014.

  1. eboydog

    eboydog Just TiVo'ing.....

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    I have to post I was wrong about Mediacom using custom Roamio 's as their whole house DVR solution, in receiving the opportunity to see one in person I have found it is in fact a Tivo Premiere 4 model, not Roamio.

    So that rather confirms the fact that Mediacom is in fact, using special firmware to handle 2 way communications with the cable card.

    Perhaps a mod can move this thread to the coffee house instead of here if there is any use in discussing this further. Also might point out that with more input from Mediacom, their plan at this time is augment the Mediacom branded Tivo Premiere with a Pace box that while it will remain compatible with the Tivo Mini boxes, the Pace box will be a combination cable modem, 6 tuner Tivo compatible dvr and a whole house solution with this Pace box being only available to cable service providers. They had intended to have it in select markets but delays in specialized firmware development prevent such. Also this Pace box has Moca 2.0 which is like regular Moca 1.1 on steroids, apparently the Pace box is intended to be a cable provider 's customized dvr solution that can run Tivo OS or other dedicated Dvr operating systems.

    Additional info from my inside source at Mediacom is that they are having more than expected issues with deploying their TiVo solution which the 90 percent of the issues have been related to less than desirable dwelling wiring problems which causes problems with the Moca networks operating correctly and preventing the Mini's from streaming off the Tivo host. Might also add that the monthly cost of Mediacom TiVo service is roughly $37 a month for 2 rooms (one Tivo and one Mini) but of course there is no equipment to buy, each additional Mini is $5 and such allows you to buy PPV from your Tivo interface, what a deal...
     
  2. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    As I explained above they are NOT doing 2 way communication with the CableCARD. They use a special app that allows them to communicate with the VOD servers over the internet. There is no way to do 2 way communication with a CableCARD. The spec is 1 way only. That's why we need tuning adapters just to tune SDV channels.

    Just to be clear they only use the internet for communicating with the VOD servers. The actual streaming of the show happens via the cable using one of the TiVo's tuners just like a regular cable box would use. It's sort of a hybrid system.
     
  3. eboydog

    eboydog Just TiVo'ing.....

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    I just know what a Mediacom TiVo tier 2 support tech told me after I escalated a service call to see if my TiVo could now handle ppv, he explained this was why my TiVo Premiere could tune to the ppv channel but couldn't watch it while their Mediacom branded Tivo Premiere Q could as their's had such firmware and described such firmware as being developed some for them to use only on their cable network which involved different cable card pairing authentication that the standard Tivo could not do.

    Isn't it reasonable to assume that while Comcast does their PPV one way, Mediacom is doing such in a different way including implementing function of the cable cards that isn't a industry standard?

    My understanding is that the implementation you are describe allows normal TiVo's to access PPV and on demand content on Compass cable and only them. For example the Mediacom TiVo can view PPV previews just like their tuner boxes can, if I tune to that same preview channel on my TiVo all I get is blank screen. The Tivo menus on theirs are slightly different with Mediacom advertising and a whole different appearance. There is definitely different software running on their box compared to normal tivos.

    I'm not trying to argue about this as it appears you very knowledgeable and I must admit that my cc has not been very informed about their TiVo product but this man I spoke to seemed well educated with their TiVo product.

    I do know I upgraded my TiVo HD today to get in on their Roamio upgrade deal which allowed to keep my existing $6.99 plan and bring the new Roamio in with no contract so Mediacom 's Tivo service isn't in my plans anytime soon.
     
  4. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    No, because the TiVo Q does not have the hardware required to produce a two way signal over coax. Now I guess it's possible they could have some sort of custom Tuning Adapter, since the TA does have two way capability, but that's unlikely as the TA spec is an industry standard and they probably can't monkey with it too much. (do they even use TAs?) Another possibility is that their modems have built in MoCa (like FiOS) which would allow the TiVo to connect to the modem over coax and appear to the user like it's using a direct connection.

    That's just a CableCARD authorization thing, it does not require two way communication.

    They're not really running special software. TiVo allows quite a bit of customization of the menus, advertisements, OOT services, etc... at the headend. We don't really see that on the retail side except on the rare occasion there is a server glitch on TiVos end that enables/disables some feature temporarily. If you check the actual software version on a MSO supplied TiVo it's running the same software we are give or take a point release.

    Now that Pace box you mentioned earlier is a different animal. It's a real MSO box, with full two way capabilities, that simply runs TiVo software. It uses a chipset similar to the Roamio, so the software is probably similar, but it's completely custom hardware. The TiVo Q is just a rebadged Premiere XL4 so it's identical to what we can buy at retail.
     
  5. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    I have Comcast in Hartford CT, I set up a pin on the TiVo so we don't watch a movie that we may think is free but it is not, so the TiVo makes us enter the pin (for non free movies) if we want to pay.
     
  6. duncan7

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    (Hope three weeks isn't past the point of resurrecting a dead thread.)

    So, if it's communicating with the head-end that's the problem, is there any reason why selecting "OnDemand" content in charter's iOS app couldn't be made to work with a TiVo? It looks like Charter's app just fires up the stream and tunes the cable box. When I log into it now, I see 4 MAC addresses associated with my account, though all I have is a roamio and a premiere (both with motorola M-cards.)
     
  7. jrtroo

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    The reason is that Charter has not created the app to work with Tivo. It is not a technical reason, but a business one.
     
  8. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Yeah IIRC TiVo was actually working with Charter on something at one point. But then the former CEO of TiVo joined the board of Charter and all communication was halted.
     

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