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Discussion in 'DVD TiVo Units (Archive)' started by TivoDaddy, Dec 21, 2004.

  1. sledhed

    sledhed New Member

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    There is a chart on here somewhere saying what cable boxes and satellite receivers are compatible with Tivo series 2... ok, below is a link to the thread so you can do a little research there.
    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=128743
     
  2. shwru980r

    shwru980r Active Member

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    It seems like the compatibility thread is dealing with controling the box through the serial or IR ports. I can't even get a picture or sound to tell if I can control the box. It's like the input shuts down when I select Directv.
     
  3. Dan04u

    Dan04u New Member

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    I had one but lighting kind of ended its life :(
     
  4. Birdman26

    Birdman26 New Member

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    Loved my TX20 before it died a year ago, just found this site today. Drive gave up, obviously, never got an image off of it. Anyone know where I might find one?
     
  5. susandennis

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    My drive died and I replaced it with one from Weaknees

    It was dirt simple to install and it's been happy ever since. I use it with no subscription (just the basic TiVo service it was born with) as a supplement to my other TiVo's.
     
  6. sledhed

    sledhed New Member

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    Love my TX20 too, except for the SLOW menus...

    Even though I am very capable of reinstalling, I did not have time last summer, so I bought a replacement DB35 DVR-specific 320GB PATA/IDE drive for about $100 with TiVo software already installed. Yeah, I basically paid someone to install it for me, but I was up and running in no time.

    I used DVR_DUDE on fleaBay for the lowest price and quickest turnaround for me. I am sure the other companies are competitive too.

    If you do it yourself look around for the quietest drive. Even the DB35 hums more than the OEM drive did, and when I did it myself a couple years ago with a Seagate 500GB PATA desktop drive, it almost made the case buzz with vibration, I had to go back to the original drive as my whole entertainment center hummed.
     
  7. Birdman26

    Birdman26 New Member

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    Good Point sledhed, Mine got slow later as well. Not sure if the memory was to small to deal with the updated versions of the Software or beause the HD was full and starting to fail. Once you replaced the drive did it return to its original out of the box speed?

    As for reinstalling, also capable myself and would rather do it myself, (pricipalities at stake and all / also big money, 10 to 15 bucks )
     
  8. sledhed

    sledhed New Member

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    Bad news on the speed front - even with a new 320GB DB35 7200 RPM drive with more cache, it seemed to be as slow after the hdd failure as it was before... I also have an older single-tuner series 2 and it is slower than our newer dual-tuner series 2 as well. The dual-tuner seems to be fine. I guess they only tested their latest updates on the latest platforms, leaving the rest of us to watch as the schedules and menus slowly unfold... the processor and/or memory are slower apparently. If I knew what to do to boost the speed I would consider it. But I think anything would be a soldering job, and someone with more electronics smarts than me to figure out how to "overclock" it or replace the cpu or upgrade the ram...

    Wonder what an SSD drive would do. If anything.

    I think if you shopped around the drive price might save you up to $40. I figured it would take me at least a couple hours if not a half a day (I had already "cloned" my drive once successfully), and I was too busy at the time. And we missed our TiVo.
     
  9. Birdman26

    Birdman26 New Member

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    Bad News is right, I figured that was probably the case. Low ended the original build and software got too big. Let you know if I get the same results. That is assuming all goes well.
    Cheers,
     
  10. tivoupgrade

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    This issue is actually a little bit complicated, because it really has to do more with how you use your TiVo, than anything else.

    Firstly, putting in a 'faster' hard drive (e.g. 7200 RPM) or one with a larger cache, will definitely not make a difference, because the bottlenecks in your units' performance lie elsewhere.

    The issue has to do with memory in the TiVo unit, and the requirements to use it up when dealing with a growing database. It gets further complicated by the speed of feeding the memory (when more is required and the unit needs to 'swap') and also by cpu speed to a lesser degree.

    One way to bring ANY TiVo to its knees is to schedule a LARGE number of season passes on it; that will create MANY dependencies to be cycled through whenever a new season pass is created, or even worse, a season pass is re-prioritized -- the minute you start doing that, the system begins checking, and re-ordering dependencies.

    Another way to bring ANY TiVo to its knees is to have a HUGE Now Playing list. I once saw a customer unit (and SVR-2000) where the guy was manually recording commercials. He had about 1000 3-minute recordings on his unit and bringing up the Now Playing list took a VERY long time.

    Now... keeping in mind that the design center for many of these older Series2 units was 40-80GB drives... imagine what happens when you put a 320GB drive in one? You are automatically going to end up with Now Playing lists that are much longer than intended, even with what TiVo would consider "normal" use.

    This is why units with fresh new drives will initially run very fast (after guided setup is completed and the data is fully populated into the database) but will slow down over time.

    Beyond that, there is another thing you can check if you are having sluggish performance. It is rare, but sometimes it is a bad IDE cable. If your unit has an older ATA/33 IDE cable, you'd be best to replace it with an ATA/66 cable. The reason for this is that the older ATA/33 cables only have one line used as a 'ground' for all the other data lines. Sometimes, interference caused by a 'noisy' power supply' can corrupt the data and slow a unit down as it tries to 'correct' bad data (which it can do as long as too much information is not lost). Using an ATA/66 cable gives each data line its own separate ground, and as a result, you will typically get cleaner data in 'noisier' environments. Newer computers use cables like this because the data needs to move much faster and in order to maintain performance, the signal must be relatively clean...

    Probably more info than you needed or wanted to know, but hope it is useful.

    Lou
     
  11. mrfixit454

    mrfixit454 New Member

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    Lou, outstanding summary of what is going on. Thanks for the details

    Ramon
     
  12. Birdman26

    Birdman26 New Member

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    Agreed,
    Thanks for taking the time to explain what really is going on. Excellent post, very helpfull.
    In hindsight, that is exactly what I experienced as my Season past list grew.
     
  13. sledhed

    sledhed New Member

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    Lou,
    Thanks also for the information. But... there is also some truth in the TiVo software "bloat" issue. When I got the new 320GB drive (db35 but with more cache and 7200 rpm), with a fresh clean install on it, it was still quite a bit slower than it was when we first got it. Even after it got all the guide data and finished updating or indexing it or whatever the terminology is. Noticeable lag bringing up the guide, paging up and down, this with no or few recordings on it and no season passes set up yet. We have never had that many season passes. And it was slow for quite a while (years) before it failed, with the 120GB drive not full. I remember the big stink (it is probably in this thread somewhere) when a certain update came out and EVERYONE was complaining what it did to the speed of these units... they subsequently improved it some but then the slow slide downhill as TiVo added more features to the S2 operating systems.

    I can live with it. Sometimes I want to throw the remote through the TV but then I remind myself how annoying TV is without TiVo and calm down. It still is a big time saver - watch when we want to watch, fast-forward through stupid parts or commercials (or through those parts of the olympics you don't care for)... plus the 30-second skip trick... but the newer S2 dual-tuner in the other room (last generation S2DT) responds fairly quickly so it reminds you of how the TX20 used to be.
     
  14. tivoupgrade

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    I can't say that I ever noticed, but I certainly believe you. It sounds like there may have been more than one issue at hand (especially with the unit you have that failed) but there are so many variables, it would probably be impossible to tell, for sure. Given that these TX units are certainly older hardware by today's standards, I'd have to agree that adding new features is unlikely to improve performance and that there is probably not much more that can be done for tuning purposes...

    Cheers,
    Lou
     
  15. mwizard@gmail.co

    mwizard@gmail.co New Member

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    I have found that there is probably a signal in some shows. It is not always consistent. I've recorded a 2nd copy of a show, and found that it fails in the same place when saving it to dvd as well. The failures happen on assorted RW and R media. I had always wondered about what was really happening. I purchased a new VCR/DVD(R/RW) combo unit in the last year. I had many old (really old) VCR tapes (shows recorded over the cable TV system) I was coverting to DVD. And what do you know, on a handful of them died part of the way through the recording. Some during the show, and some during commercials. I found that if I fast forward a couple of minutes or so, I could pick up recording them to DVD again. So I'm of the opinion that on some occassions, for reasons I cannot fully fathom, there is a short temporary signal sent that interrupts DVD recording indicating that 'this cannot be recorded to DVD media'. If it were a long signal, I doubt that I would be able to fast forward a couple of minutes and pick up the rest of the recording. While this works for my old VCR tapes, I have not yet found a way around this for my TiVo recordings. I have ideas, but not enough time and money to try them out.

    I suppose there could also be some other intermittent problems too, with bad DVD (R/RW) disks, or even a burner that is going bad. I believe I have had a few of the former, but my current/orginal burner is still going strong (knock on wood).

    my 2cents.
     
  16. Mar 3, 2010 #1957 of 2047
    Kasmiur

    Kasmiur New Member

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    New Owner here... hoping replacement HD gets it working. Looking forward to this wonderful device.
     
  17. Nikolkis

    Nikolkis New Member

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    I have Toshiba RS-TX20! I am with you! I bought this unit in October 2005 and don’t want to leave it! TiVo works fine, I am able to record and view programs, but not able to burn DVD’s :(. It is only one problem of this gadget. But it not upset me, I am pleased.
     
  18. tahoejoe

    tahoejoe New Member

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    The DVD drive can be replaced - see http://tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=384723
     
  19. Apr 9, 2010 #1960 of 2047
    Birdman26

    Birdman26 New Member

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    Anybody have experience using a new Sata drive with an adapter on this unit?
     

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