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Official Toshiba RS-TX Owners Club

Discussion in 'DVD TiVo Units (Archive)' started by TivoDaddy, Dec 21, 2004.

  1. Nov 13, 2005 #861 of 2047
    CaccaMucca

    CaccaMucca New Member

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    Now you know how some of the owners of RS-TX20s and other units felt, when we were getting the run around. I was even told to mail in my Toshiba because I have defective hardware. Of course, I didn't.
    Are you using the DV input on the front or RCA jacks in the back of the unit to copy your movies?
     
  2. Nov 13, 2005 #862 of 2047
    Kracko

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    I'm using the DV input on the front of the unit.
     
  3. Nov 13, 2005 #863 of 2047
    MrParrish

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    Okay, it's established that the new software upgrade fixed the problem for some of us, didn't do nada for some of us, and created a new headache on camera recording for at least one of us
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    Did it cripple anyone who had no problems before?

    It would seem logical that if it didn't then the previous problems were hardware related and do indeed fall at Toshiba's doorstep.

    Mr P

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  4. Nov 13, 2005 #864 of 2047
    CaccaMucca

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    Oh, you sound like another company man.
    So, whose door step does Pioneer and Humax fall on?
    Doh!
     
  5. Nov 13, 2005 #865 of 2047
    CaccaMucca

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    My RS-TX20 just locked up and rebooted on its own while I was channel surfing. I'll keep it unplugged for now. I did manage to burn 5 more DVDs since yesterday. That makes the score 8 to 5. 8 successful burns, that is better than 0 to 13 I would have gotten with 7.2.
    7.2.1 is still buggy. Not as stable as 5.4 or whatever I had before this whole mess started. My guess is another patch in 3 months, Tivo might call it 7.3 this time.

    Still have not tested recording using DV input. Maybe I'll test that later on today.

    At this stage, I'd give up the Tivo feature on my $600 box for a stable DVR with a DVD burner. Yes Tivo, please delete the Tivo function off my RS-TX20 and just leave me with a basic DVR w/dvd burner. At least that way I won't have to put up with this CRAP. I should have just paid $400 for a regular DVR with a burner. But NO! I had to buy the $600 one that included a Tivo because Tivo was a mature product and I always wanted a Tivo. But now, I have an equivalent of a $49 box. Not even that. $49 boxes don't reboot in the middle of watching a program or channel surfing.

    We may actually be witnessing the demise of Tivo here. This can definitely be one of the catalyst.
    - DirecTV moving away from using Tivo software. They will be using there own Tivo like software. No royalty, lost revenue.
    - Toshibas, Pioneer, Humax etc. might stop producing Tivo w/DVD burner boxes all together due to poor consumer demand as the word spreads of all the issues with buggy software. Best Buy, Circuit City, Sears, etc. won't want to put up with returned units, complaints for consumers, you get the picture.
    - Better offer from the cable companies; $6.99 a month versus $12.99 for Tivo like box and best of all, you don't have to shell out any dough for the box. You rent it. $6.99 pays for all. That means instead of shelling out $600 and $12.99 a month thereafter, my $600 would have bought me 86 months of viewing, that is 7 years, for a better box. Do the math. 3 turners, record 2 programs while viewing a 3rd, 2 hours of buffer space for all 3 tuners, not 30 minutes.
    - Tivo subscribers like myself have cancelled month subscription due to buggy software. Why should I be paying for something reboots and requires to be powered down half of the time. Lost revenue, hurting the bottom line.

    Writing is on the wall.
     
  6. Nov 13, 2005 #866 of 2047
    Kracko

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    I consider what it's done to me, crippling. I had no problems before the update.
     
  7. Nov 13, 2005 #867 of 2047
    TiVoEvan74

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    RS-TX60 still working fine, burning DVDs without a hitch, even after 7.2.1

    I even burned several today while it was recording other shows (8x DVD-R and 4x DVD-RW). So, the problem is clearly not universal and, in fact, might be related to a particular run of the hardware.

    I'm beginning to think there's a problem with *some* RS-TX20s and burning. I would return the product under warranty, even if you have to do it again. Alternatively, see if your state has "lemon" laws and if you can force Toshiba or your reseller to take your unit back and refund your money.

    I would also find a higher up at Toshiba and request a refund with a nice formal letter (mentioning legal action otherwise) and phone call.

    The only caveat--and you've probably already done this--is to make sure that you are only using the exact DVDs specified in the manual... that is, no 8x, no 4x, and that they are certified with whatever DVD standard the manual states. It shouldn't matter, but who knows, you might get lucky.
     
  8. Nov 13, 2005 #868 of 2047
    CaccaMucca

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    I know you are just suggesting some helpful advice and this is not against you. Some of us are frustrated with our $600 door stop.

    We had no problem with burning on 5.4 software. Our problem started with 7.2 upgrade, so it is not a hardware issue. How else would you explain same issues that Pioneer, Humax, etc. are having??? Are they hardware issues as well????
    Problem is with Tivo. That's right, I said it and everyone can quote me on it.


    Maybe I could get on a 5.4 priority list.
     
  9. Nov 13, 2005 #869 of 2047
    Kracko

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    Follow up: I just unplugged my RS-TX60 for an hour and now it sees the signal from the video camera again. I'm back in business.
     
  10. Nov 13, 2005 #870 of 2047
    garrock

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    The other day I was glad to announce that, having received the 7.2.1 update for my TX20, my burning problems were over.

    Today I announce the party is (again) over.

    I attempted three burns today (having successfully burned three dvds after the update). The first was successful, the second failed due to 'internal error', and the third created a spontaneous reboot of the box (I presume the burn failed as well, but the box is powering back up as I type this).

    My unit is four months old. Prior to receiving the 7.2.0 update, I must have burned over 100 dvds. I also added a wifi adapter after the 7.2.0 update--is anyone aware if that is a potential source of instability of these systems?
     
  11. Nov 13, 2005 #871 of 2047
    DarkShadows

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    I received the update on Thursday and since yesterday I made 30 burns with two coasters.

    Only three failed copies after 36 attempts, although I had two in a row on the last two I tried tonite. All of them internal errors but the system did not reboot itself.

    I will see how it goes with the rest of them.
     
  12. Nov 14, 2005 #872 of 2047
    CaccaMucca

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    Garrock and all, powering the RS-TX20 down for more than 8 hours after the initial 7.2.1 upgrade seemed to have solved the burn problem with me, so far anyway. Simple reboot won't do, at least it didn't work for me. Without having inside information on how the Tivo software works, I can only guess there is a file(s) or something, the software looks at the clock when it first powers on and if that something is too old like 8 hours or more, deletes or flushes it and creates another. Maybe this something must be created using 7.2.1.
    The program even feels different, more responsive, which is good news. That is my theory and I'm sticking to it until something else changes. :p

    7.2.1 - jury is still out.
     
  13. Nov 14, 2005 #873 of 2047
    Kracko

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    I burned 20 DVD's tonight, successfully.
     
  14. Nov 14, 2005 #874 of 2047
    castledown

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    San...
    Can someone can help me please. I have a TiVo unit purchased two years ago and I love it! But now I'm thinking I'd like to get rid of a box and reduce cable clutter AND add a DVR DVD recorder. The RSTX 20 was advertised in a Sears ad flyer in today's paper. Of course, when I went to Sears, they said they were sold out and they don't expect to get more in. What's up with this? The clerk suggested that I shop online at Sears and they may have them. I checked; they do.

    But I have questions: what exactly can the DVD recorder do? For example, if I record a TV show to TiVo and then decide that I want to make a DVD of that show, can I do it? Or is this a situation where I need to tell the DVD recorder to record the show and leave TiVo out of the loop?

    If I use the DVD recorder, can I stop it and start it manually to edit out commercials?

    Aren't there licensing/copyright issues with recording DVDs? For example, would I have been able to make a DVD of the Paul McCartney in St. Petersburg concert that was on the other night?

    Any help you can give would be appreciated! Thanks! Paula
     
  15. Nov 14, 2005 #875 of 2047
    MrParrish

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    Not a company man. In fact I just went through a lengthy and frustrating time trying to get a replacement unit from Tivo that worked for the series 2. Two units in a row were lemons. I had to call Headquarters in California to finally get some action. But that's another story.

    However, the point about Humax etc. is well taken. It can't be hardware if it's
    affecting all the DVR's. Didn't get to have any experience with the 5.4 software because 10 minutes after I connected my Tosh it got the 7.2.0 update. I just presumed my burning problems were the unit from the outset.

    And I was too rash in my assessment of the overall performance of 7.2.1. I'm back to a 5-1 ration of burns and coasters.

    So much for being optimistic.

    Mr P
     
  16. Nov 14, 2005 #876 of 2047
    TiVoEvan74

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    Is it affecting the Humax to the same extent as the Toshibas? Is the RS-TX60 affected as much as the TX20? We really don't know, do we? I see far more complaints on these boards about the TX20 and far fewer about the Humax... but we don't know relative ownership share.

    It clearly isn't a universal problem at all... in fact, it seems to be a small, but unfortunate, minority of the DVD units. If it were widespread, there would be far more complaints and there wouldn't be as many success stories.

    It seems as if it must be a hardware-software interaction... otherwise, if it were purely software, then ALL units with the software would be having the problem. I wonder if we could start pooling information about when the units were manufactured and where (is there a sticker or other number that would tell us?)

    As to the 5:1 ratio of burns to coasters... what's the media, speed and -R or -RW, and brands? Which TiVo?

    5/6 successes is actually quite good compared to some people's experiences! Still unacceptable, though...
     
  17. Nov 14, 2005 #877 of 2047
    ber

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    Just thought i would tenatively chime in...busy weekend...so i have not had a chance to play around with my machine significantly....but got the 7.2.1 update...so far 2 for 2....the 2nd on an 8X disc...which was where i was primarily having my problems previously....will update by tomorrow...given i have lots of stuff to burn this evening....glad that most people have seen some sort of improvement...event if it isn't back entirely to 5.4 times
     
  18. Nov 14, 2005 #878 of 2047
    ashu

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    (Instead of imlpying and insisting, unscientifically, that this is a TiVo/Toshiba or 7.1, 7.2, 7.2.1 problem,) Should we, perhaps, be concerned about the quality of mass-produced DVD burning drives? They're now dirt cheap almost to the point of being sold at or below cost.

    I see from your commetns about burning 10s and hundreds of DVDs that you folks having issues are HEAVY burner users. I've burnt, PERHAPS, 10-20 on my Toshi TS-X20 and 25 on my Humax DRT800 in nett toal of 29 months of ownership (7 and 12 respectively). Maybe the burner/laser or something dies after a while? I've had PC drives (DVD burning drives) die spontaneously and abruptly become incapable of completing a burn. After a year or two of light use. This sounds similar (a few weeks of VERY heavy use)

    Just a thought!

    ps: And not to cast aspersions on any of you, but I'm curious whether you're distributing content to your friends or archiving everything in sight just for the heck of it? Really - 100s of DVDs? :eek:

    <edit> In case it isn't apparent, the drive used in both these devices is a variant of the Pioneer 108Z (commonly available, and likely a variant of the NEC 3540-A. IIRC!
     
  19. Nov 14, 2005 #879 of 2047
    mickeymaker

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    You use the DVD burning TiVos just like any other TiVo. You have the option of dumping anything that has been recorded onto DVD (you don't need to know in advance that you want to record it to DVD). You can't transfer shows from other TiVos and then burn them to DVD on this one (it has to originally record on the TiVo that is going to burn the disc). I really like the DVD recorder option....

    You might want to try your local Best Buy to find a RS-TX20. They are clearancing them out for $399, plus you still get the $150 rebate if put service on it for a year. The store might be able to order one from a different store if they are out of them. I just picked mine up tonight--it was ordered from another store and was open box so I only had to pay $359.99 (and I still get the $150 rebate).
     
  20. Nov 15, 2005 #880 of 2047
    castledown

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    San...
    Thanks for taking the time to respond. You say that on this Toshiba machine I just make DVD's as I did before. On my old machine (the one I have now, actually), I never made one. There was an option to "record to VCR" only and I never used that either.

    I'm really excited about the new features and I know I'll use them. My husband went ahead and ordered it tonight at Sears. Probably no tthe cheapest around. I assume he paid full bore ($399) but we will apply for the rebate. Besides, Sears let's us finance. We already have an account with them.
     

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