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Discussion in 'DVD TiVo Units (Archive)' started by TivoDaddy, Dec 21, 2004.

  1. Jul 9, 2005 #341 of 2047
    skatefan20

    skatefan20 New Member

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    Hi!

    Just wanted to post to see if anyone else is having the problem I have when watching thru S-video (see my post #329). Right now, I have to watch/record thru composite as that doesn't have moments where the screen is bleached or whitens momentarily during bright, bright scenes -- however, the composite is definitely not as sharp.
     
  2. Jul 9, 2005 #342 of 2047
    lordrichter

    lordrichter Registered User

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    Cool. My TiVo brand peanut is old enough that the lettering on the plastic is starting to fade out. I never noticed the Last, but yeah, I can see that it is there. My most recent Peanut is from my Toshiba, and as noted, isn't there in the first place.

    Not sure when I'll ever need this knowledge, though... :)
     
  3. Jul 9, 2005 #343 of 2047
    lordrichter

    lordrichter Registered User

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    Have you tried a different S-Video cable? Tried a different TV with S-Video input? Need to rule out a TV or cable problem.
     
  4. Jul 9, 2005 #344 of 2047
    adamarket

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    Me too. I've owned my RS-TX60 unit since about March and burned upwards of 30 disks without issue. Now suddenly, about 1 in 3 fails to save. I try the various "magical" solutions, such as rebooting the TiVo, resetting the DVD settings, etc. These things "seem" to work but who knows. The cost of DVD-Rs have come down, but not so much that a failure doesn't hit the pocket book.

    Adam
     
  5. Jul 9, 2005 #345 of 2047
    adamarket

    adamarket New Member

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    Same thing has started happening to me. As you say, no help from Toshiba site and the usual places (which is how I ended up here). So far re-starting the Tivo seems to help but I have no idea if it actually is.
     
  6. Jul 9, 2005 #346 of 2047
    skatefan20

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    Yay, a reply...thanks!!

    Yeah, I did try several S-Video Cables including one I bought for ~$20 at Radioshack, and hooked it up with a camcorder, Sylvania DTV Tuner, and satellite box. Still having problems with bright scenes. I'll try to hookup the Tivo to my capture cards on my PC and post pics of what I'm experiencing. No problems with composite on the Tivo, but there is a significant decrease in sharpness.

    OT: Dark scenes and black levels are just HORRIBLE with this RS-TX20! No way does it touch my Hauppauge 150-MCE. The LG 3410 HDTV DVR has a more superior picture quality, even during analog recording (returned this thing as it was too damn expensive). This is my first Tivo, and if this is an indication of the picture quality on other Tivo's, this will be my first and last Tivo purchase. However, nice use as a VCR replacement!!
     
  7. Jul 10, 2005 #347 of 2047
    lordrichter

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    Several people complain about blacks levels and video quality for the TiVo units (all of them) and the DVD units in particular. Others say that some models are better than others.

    I purchased the TiVo to watch cable TV programs when I have time rather than when broadcast. Local stations (CBS,NBC,FOX,ABC) on my cable network have static and other video artifacts and the TiVo certainly does not improve on the signal. I can watch TV through anything and am extremely forgiving on picture quality. I once had such a poor cable signal at one point due to a bad connection out at the street that I might as well have been on a cheap Walmart rabbit ears antenna.

    So, yeah, to anyone that expects DVD quality pictures off their cable (digital or analog) through the TiVo, I have disturbing news for you...

    But, it has to be a really really bad picture before I notice it (snowy black and white was when I first decided to get upset).
     
  8. Jul 10, 2005 #348 of 2047
    weekendwarrior

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    My son bought me a rs-tx 20 toshiba tivo2 machine, knowing how much I like my 80 gig one I bought last year. Well upon hooking the new unit up. Nothing, just the little window on the front of the unit says "welcome" Then says "setup". can't get a tv screen even through the video output. So I hooked my old one back up with the same connections and it works fine. Called Best Buy about it this afternoon. They said it had been discontinued but they would do me right buy it. Either order another one or substitute something comparable. I haven't called toshiba yet. I may do that before I go to Best Buy and see what they say. Any idea what's wrong? Or did I just get stuck with a lemon. Anyone?
     
  9. Jul 11, 2005 #349 of 2047
    13junk

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    I've got an RS-TX20 and I have vertical lines on the screen when either viewing Tivo Menus, Live video, or Recorded programs. They are not always there they flicker in and out. They do not show up on the screen when I view through the coax pass through. I've seen this in a few other threads, and perhaps at the begining of this one I've been reading for hours! But I've never seen a solution. For the record I do agree with the fact blacks are crused on the TX20. If that was my only problem I likely wouldn't be writing.

    My first setup was coax to cable box, coax to Tivo, composite to receiver, s-video to TV. I've tried 2 different pairs of reliable compsite cables, and I've tried connecting them straight to the TV (even though my DVD and VCR which are connected to the receiver in the same manner to not have display issues) and the lines are always there.

    My second second setup was coax to cable, composite to Tivo, composite to TV. Same flickering vertical black lines.

    I am running version 5.4-01-2-565

    Can anyone help me?

    Thanks
     
  10. Jul 11, 2005 #350 of 2047
    lordrichter

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    Assuming that all other diagnostic attempts have failed, sounds like a defective unit.

    If Best Buy is willing to order you another one, that sounds like a plan. If you send it in to Toshiba, it will be a few weeks turnaround. The TX-20 is a stock item for Best Buy so they can probably get one on the next truck, even if that store doesn't normally stock them.
     
  11. Jul 11, 2005 #351 of 2047
    lordrichter

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    Have you tried coax to cable box, composite to TiVo, S-Video to TV?

    In general, when you see video problems on the TiVo menus, it is a problem in the TiVo output, the cables, or somewhere else after the signal leaves the TiVo.

    My guess is that there is a problem with the TiVo output hardware that only Toshiba will be able to resolve.

    I don't think that the video inputs and outputs on the TX-20 and TX-60 are the most robust things in the shop.
     
  12. Jul 11, 2005 #352 of 2047
    13junk

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    Haven't tried that. I intended to buy an additional s-video cable today to try s-video from cable box to Tivo, just for grins and an excuse to get an s-video cable. But that would allow me to try the above. Thanks for the option. :up:

    Oddly with the overnight software update to 5.4.2-01-2-565, the vertical lines are gone. Will have to see if it is the same when I come home and then push the cabinet back to the wall :)

    OT: S-video out of Tivo cannot be a long term solution for me because all my devices run through the 8 year old receiver, which of course I couldn't covince my wife to chalk up the extra $100 for the s-video connection, optical audio, and mute feature. (guess what I hear every day, "I wish I could mute the sound")
     
  13. Jul 11, 2005 #353 of 2047
    james_r_reed

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    Just bought a DVR Model RS-TX20 on Saturday. My first TiVo ever. Did I make a good choice?

    Was $599 at Best Buy with $200 mail in rebate.

    Was an impulse buy.

    An odd thing I noticed was quite a few surface scratches in the face plate of the unit. The packaging was sealed (box and internal bag). Anyone else experience this?

    I'd expect a brand new unit, fresh out of the box to have no blemishes of any kind. Was not the case on mine.

    J.R.
     
  14. Jul 11, 2005 #354 of 2047
    james_r_reed

    james_r_reed New To TiVo

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    OK, I'm concerned after reading and re-reading the posts in this thread that I may not have purchased a good TiVo unit.

    I purchased the RS-TX20 at Best Buy mainly because it was the most expensive unit they offered. I often equate that with a sign of quality.

    Since reading posts in this thread I have run around anxiously putting surge protectors on every line (phone, electrical, cable) coming into the unit itself.

    I'm paranoid that the unit "hums." etc. etc.

    I've read the return policy (and 4 yr service plan) documents from Best Buy a dozen times and am planning a trip there tomorrow. Does the service plan cover lightening or other "acts of God"?

    What's the word on the RS-TX20? Good? Bad?

    All thoughts, advice are greatly appreciated.

    J.R.
     
  15. Jul 12, 2005 #355 of 2047
    csyria

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    I don't have an opinion for you on whether or not you should keep it, but I do have this piece of advice:

    Swap out the power surge protector for a UPS (Uninterruptible Power Supply). If you look around in the ads, you may be able to find one on the cheap. And in this case, a cheap APC 350va model is ALL you need.

    I'm suggesting this for a few reasons:
    First, because it has the possibility to expand the life of your unit. Power problems that aren't covered by a regular surge protector have the possibility to damage the hard drive in ANY DVR. These problems include brownouts and under/overvoltages.
    Second, because it is nice not to have to wait for the unit to reboot when you have a two second power outage. No more missing chunks of shows.
    Third, a UPS is more likely to actually protect you from lightning.

    The one I mentioned above (a 350va UPS) will run the TiVo by itself for at least 45 minutes when the power goes out. And if the battery dies, the power to the TiVo will go out in a clean way, unlike the way normal power will often go out (it may flicker a few times, or go to undervoltage for a second before dying).

    I hope this was helpful. :)
     
  16. Jul 12, 2005 #356 of 2047
    lordrichter

    lordrichter Registered User

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    I like my TX-20, although it is currently being repaired. Something happened to the coax input rather suddenly, leaving me with a nice rainbow effect on any programs recorded. I've had one of these units for quite some time, I was an early adopter.

    My unit is on a UPS. All my computers, including TiVo, are on UPSs ranging from 280VA to 550VA. The cable and phone lines to TiVo are running through a surge suppressor.

    I have no idea what the problem with the coax input was. It happened between 7am and noon on a weekday.

    I am still positive on the units and plan on holding a party for it when it returns.
     
  17. Jul 12, 2005 #357 of 2047
    Bimwad

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    Look closely, and you'll find that there is a protective film covering the part of the face plate where you see the scratches.

    A good unit? IMO, not for $600. Acceptable for $300. Very good for $100. Will I now be expelled from the Cult of TiVo? :D

    It would be interesting to compare reliability statistics between TiVo SA users and Toshiba and/or Humax users, and for CE products in general.

    What makes problems more difficult to diagnose is that these units are vulnerable to both hardware and software issues, whereas a typical appliance is probably much less vulnerable to the latter.

    I think it's safe to say that whomever manufactures these units for Toshiba and TiVo does have some hardware QC issues. Any TiVo veterans care to comment about the track record for late-model SA TiVos? Both the DVD units and SA units share the same physical chassis, and both originate from Mexico, so it's likely that they're made in the same factory, or at least based on the same reference design. The Toshiba merely has a DVD-R drive and a different software version to accompany it.

    As for the UPS, it's a good idea if only for the convenience of not having to reboot after a power failure or lose any recordings in progress. Most UPSes, and cheap ones in particular, don't offer much in the way of surge protection, and the cheap ones certainly don't act as power conditioners.

    And there is a certain skepticism that consumer surge protectors don't do nearly as much as they claim to in the first place. While they don't hurt, they aren't the impenetrable and absolute shields that a lot of the ad copy implies them to be.
     
  18. Jul 12, 2005 #358 of 2047
    ZeoTiVo

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    you bought a good unit. The higher price among TiVos however reflects the DVD burner. I would place the quality of the Toshiba unit slightly above a HUMAx DVD burner TiVo though. The HUMAX model is more closely aligned to the Stand Alone TiVo 540 model. Humax was going for lowest price while Toshiba took a little more of the quality road.

    I own a 240 TiVo, 540 TiVo, SD H400 and RS TX20 Toshiba models. all four have operated just fine for me with none of the problems listed in this thread. Bear in mind of course that most people find this thread when they have a problem and are looking for answers. I happen to be into the added features of TiVo like HME and TiVoToGo and future direction of TiVo in general so I come to these forums even though I am not having specific problems to solve.

    now in general TiVo has gone down a raod of lower price point over time - looking for that magic 99$ price that would move boxes and sell subscriptions. So of course quality of parts has moved toward the low cost spectrum, but still overall they have a decent track record on quality. The only real hiccup in the road was the rush out the door of version 7.1 for TiVoToGo, that had some glitches but the DVD burner TiVos did not get it due to differetn code branches. 7.x will come to the DVD burners later this year with all the whiz bang features so that all TiVos are based on the same code base. Hopefully, with round 2 things will go pretty smoothly.

    as for the discontinued part. I have not looked to see if Toshiba is putting out a newer model. In general MY SPECULATION is that a cable card reference design is in the works and will be released first half of 2006. Most likely TiVo makers are watching their inventory in advance of that.

    I love my RS TX20 though and it has the added advantage of being able to go back to TiVoBasic when/if newer models come out that I get and migrate to. Add to that DVD burning that my 8 year old can do and it is a box that will be in service for a long time to come in some capacity :up:
     
  19. Jul 12, 2005 #359 of 2047
    bigjohn

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    Got my RS-TX20 Sunday evening after going to a couple stores, seems they are running low on supply...

    Setup and operation a breeze as usual - just need something meaty to test the DVD burner with - playback is fine (watched Stripes last night).

    No real complaints except for the lack of a Playlist button on the remote (I know, Tivo button twice, but it's not the same)
     
  20. Jul 12, 2005 #360 of 2047
    Mahkook

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    Could others out there with the RS-TX** please do me a small favor and check the firmware of your DVD drive (shown in the sytem info page)? I am experiencing some problems with playback of newer rented DVD's that might be due to new copy prevention schemes they are using (explained in another thread). I would like to know your firmware version and how new your machine is so that I can compare and possibly contact Toshiba for a firmware update if I have an older version.

    Mine: DVD-RW DVR 108RZ rev. 1.15

    Muito Obrigado!
    Mahkook
     

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