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Official TiVo HD thread

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by MickeS, Jul 24, 2007.

  1. Jul 24, 2007 #81 of 479
    ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    wow in that same article is confirmation they are working on HD downloads.

    "Microsoft also sells high-definition video downloads, which aren't yet available for the TiVo HD. TiVo also won't immediately activate the HD downloading capability, but it's in the works, said Jim Denney, vice president of product marketing."

    then the blogger goes off into some wild thoughts about getting a dual cable card capable Media center for 800$ and TVs having ethernet ports for downloading content directly :rolleyes:
     
  2. Jul 24, 2007 #82 of 479
    bareyb

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    Yeah. Dan203 already set me straight on this. I got a little worried since I bought two eSATA drives yesterday and installed them in their cases about two minutes before the big TiVo announcement. I feel pretty confident now that TiVo will still support "other branded" eSATA drives so I'll stop with my paranoia. :D
     
  3. Jul 24, 2007 #83 of 479
    rainwater

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    Circuit City's website lists the box as being available for in-store pickup in my area. I have never seen it say that when an item wasn't available yet.
     
  4. Jul 24, 2007 #84 of 479
    megazone

    megazone Hardcore TiVo Geek

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    Yes, that's what it means. If you want WiFi you use TiVo's adapter, period.

    Why? Notice TiVo hasn't added any new adapters to the supported list in a LONG, LONG time. Once they came out with their own adapter they basically stopped struggling to deal with the ever-changing 3rd party adapter market.

    So all of the other adapters that were supported on older units like the S2DT and S3 are WAY out of date, and can't do WPA on a TiVo (WEP is worthless). They also don't perform anywhere near as well.

    I'm sure TiVo would love to drop support for all old adapters just to lower support costs, but that'd piss off too many current users. But the introduction of a new box is the perfect time to make a clean break. Why do any work to port over drivers for ancient adapters that aren't nearly as good as TiVo's own adapter? I still see people getting burned trying to cheap it out and buy some 3rd party adapter, only to find they have some sub-revision with a different chipset than the driver handles. Supporting 3rd party adapters was *hell*, even partnering with Linksys didn't help - they still up and changed their hardware without telling TiVo, breaking support.

    Since the TiVo adapter was released, there has not been a good reason to use anything else. The little added cost is worth it for real security, better performance, and keeping your sanity. I have little pity for those who try to find a supported 3rd party adapter to save a little money.
     
  5. Jul 24, 2007 #85 of 479
    aindik

    aindik Well-Known Member

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    There is another option for using wireless without using TiVo's unit. You can hook a wireless ethernet bridge to the TiVo's ethernet port. I bought a Buffalo unit that's a wireless ethernet bridge with four ethernet ports. I think it's this one:
    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1649578&CatId=1594

    You can hook your TiVo and, say, an XBox 360 to the wireless network with one wireless device and two ethernet cables. The 360's wireless adapter alone was like $90.
     
  6. Jul 24, 2007 #86 of 479
    Mongoos150

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    Several people here have reported receiving shipping notifications already from both TiVo.com and BB.com.
     
  7. Jul 24, 2007 #87 of 479
    ldc3000

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    Still doesn't mean item are being shipped. Just a label was created for shipment and the carrier was electronically notified.
     
  8. Jul 24, 2007 #88 of 479
    Mongoos150

    Mongoos150 New Member

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    Incorrect - all of those people have verified tracking numbers (with estimated delivery at the end of this week). Read through the threads.
     
  9. Jul 24, 2007 #89 of 479
    rainwater

    rainwater Active Member

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    I think the fact that some major retailers already have the item in stock pretty much confirms the box is available. The delay listed on the Tivo.com site is most likely due to the fact that they expect a large demand on the item so they want to be on the safe side.
     
  10. Jul 24, 2007 #90 of 479
    megazone

    megazone Hardcore TiVo Geek

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    I have - and those are poor conclusions.

    I know from experience that when electronic shipping labels are created they immediately go into the system, and a delivery estimate is generated based on standard shipping times from source to destination.

    But the labels being generated doesn't mean the item is actually on the dock ready to ship. Until you see a scan of the item being picked up, it isn't really shipped - just in the system as pending shipment.

    Don't get your hopes up until someone sees an actually departure scan and the item starts working its way through the depots.

    TiVo told me directly they would not be shipping until 'early August', so it would be surprising for them to actually ship now.
     
  11. Jul 24, 2007 #91 of 479
    megazone

    megazone Hardcore TiVo Geek

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    I'll wait until we hear from someone who has one in their hands - and not a reviewer like me. :)

    I've seen Best Buy, Circuit City, etc, claim to have items in stock in the store only to show up and be told they don't have any.

    When someone says they went and picked one up and have it at home, them maybe I'll believe it. ;-)
     
  12. Jul 24, 2007 #92 of 479
    cgould

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    Not necessarily. Above should have said "digital ONLY boxes". It's still likely per account, and not necessairly ADS mapping by default.
    I have Comcast Digital, had a 6412 (analog capable), and I don't have ADS for my analog channels. I'm pretty sure ADS is active in my area/market.

    My analog is very clean (as is the tivo-encoded recording), digital channels actually do look very good on the S3 (much better than the 6412 actually) and save some space but not tons- (I normally record in Medium)-
    however I'm not sure of the quality (res/bitrate) difference of the "true" digital-only channels vs the ADS simulcast channels.
    I suppose that I could have them change me over, but after fighting 5x w/ them to try and get my card pairings correct, I figured it works so DFWI :)
     
  13. Jul 24, 2007 #93 of 479
    aus1ander

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    My UPS tracking number show "billing information received" today (which corresponds with a label being generated), followed by an origin scan from Maumee, OH (BB.com) four hours later (which usually means a man in a brown truck picking it up). Estimated delivery date of 7/26/07.
     

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  14. Jul 24, 2007 #94 of 479
    ldc3000

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    It does seem that these packages are shipping out, but a tracking number doesn't always mean that the package will ship. The scheduled del date is based upon when the label was created and would automatically revise for the next business day, if the package was not picked up by carrier. I'm glad that they are shipping thou, that means I can expect mine on Thursday.
     
  15. Jul 24, 2007 #95 of 479
    apietivo

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    first, let me say that i am so excited the tivo hd is out -- i just bought a big tv and could not stomach paying $800 for the series 3. i dont need much but i do want the hd experience. the ads say tivo hd has 20 hours in hd recording, and 180 hours in sd ... how does this work? if i set everything up to record in hd and i go past the 20 hours limit, will tivo not record the show or will it automatically bump it down to sd? also, if a program was recorded in hd and i save it permanently, does that count towards my 20 hours?
    one last question -- i have some programs saved permanently on my series 2 tivo -- will they be lost if go up to tivo hd?
    thanks!
     
  16. Jul 24, 2007 #96 of 479
    GoHokies!

    GoHokies! O2->CO2 Converter

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    The limit is based on hard drive space. If you fill the drive with 20 hours of HD, it'll just delete something to make space, unless you have 20 hours of HD programming all marked "Keep until I delete". Then it just won't record anything until you free up some space.

    Are you talking about transferring your subscription from your S2 to your THD? If so, you'll be able to watch the shows still on your S2 but you won't be able to do anything else with them.
     
  17. Jul 24, 2007 #97 of 479
    yunlin12

    yunlin12 Tivonation Citizen

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    the way it works right now is that your Tivo's capacity is the HDD size minus whatever is taken by "Keep Until Delete" shows (present and future based on your season pass settings and recording schedule). The rest is a FIFO, suggestions gets overwritten before any season pass or wish list shows gets over written.

    Don't understand your question regarding the S2 Tivo. If you get rid of the S2 and replace it with the Tivo HD, yeah, you'd lose all the shows on the S2. If you just stop the service on the S2, but still keep it powered up, I believe you can still watch already recorded shows on it. You can not transfer the shows on S2 to the Tivo HD as MRV is not yet available.
     
  18. Jul 24, 2007 #98 of 479
    jblake

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    No online retailer generates tracking numbers weeks before they ship the item. If a tracking number is generated, then it has to be ready to ship and will usually within a day.

    And the guy with evidence of an origin scan means that a physical box has been picked up by UPS/Fedex.
     
  19. Jul 24, 2007 #99 of 479
    ldc3000

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    I actually have seen labels generated a week or so in advance, but it seems like this might not be the case, if this guy package has actually been picked up.
     
  20. dvr4me

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    Based on the numbers Tivo is giving us, I'd have to make a guess here that SD programs take approximately 800 megabytes of hard drive space per hour of recording at the basic (worst) quality level and HD takes approximately 8 gigabytes of space per hour.

    So if you record 10 hours of HD, you've used 80 gigabytes of your 160 gigabyte drive. Thus, you would have 10 hours of HD recording left, or 80 hours of SD basic quality recording left. If you record 40 hours of basic quality SD without deleting any of your HD programs, you now have 40 hours of SD or about 5 hours of HD left.

    Basically you need to keep this in mind: HD takes up a LOT more space than SD. And the SD figures that they are quoting are for a basic recording level only (the most compressed and poorest quality). So if you are recording only SD, you can expect 180 hours of recording time at the worst quality level. At the best quality level you can most likely expect about 38ish hours of recording in SD. This is based on the information in the Series 3 FAQ .

    Once the show is stored on the TiVo drive, it will not further compress the show in order to make more space. If it needs space, it will delete suggestions, then the oldest show that is eligible for deletion. If you have flagged all your shows as keep until I delete, you will be unable to record or schedule shows to be recorded.

    I don't know of any way to transfer the Series 2 shows at this time.
     

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