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Official Time Warner Cable Thread

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by tunnelengineer, Sep 14, 2006.

  1. Nov 2, 2008 #3641 of 6277
    pmk9178

    pmk9178 New Member

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    I have TimeWarner service, and recently purchased a TivoHD. I am on TimeWarner's Basic cable plan for about 10/month, however I have been receiving all the channels for the Expanded basic service, which should cost around 50/month. I'd like to keep this setup if at all possible :D

    My only problem is that I can't get the programming data for the basic HD programming over cable. From what I understand, I would have to get a CableCard to get the programming info for these channels. However, I am afraid that when I install the CableCard, I will lose the favorable billing setup that I am currently on.

    I have tried connecting an OTA antenna, but I only receive 2 HD channels, so not great reception in my area.

    If I have a CableCard installed, will I lose my expanded channel lineup? How do the CableCards work, and how might they affect the channels I receive?

    Thanks the the help!
     
  2. Nov 2, 2008 #3642 of 6277
    SCSIRAID

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    You might consider putting an antenna in the attic. That would solve the problem. The ethical dilemma would remain though.

    EDIT: I see that you have already tried an antenna... Oh well...
     
  3. Nov 2, 2008 #3643 of 6277
    Gloftoe

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    They do provide a list of channels that can't be received via current CableCARD devices, but they do use the terms SDV and Switched Digital Video on their website:

    http://www.timewarnercable.com/centraltx/Products/Cable/sdv/default.html

    Also, tuning adapters are available for pre-order here in Austin. I'm on the list. :up:

    Edit: Also, does anyone know what channels Time Warner has marked as "do not copy"? It seems that even shows on The Food Network are marked as not transferrable on my HD Tivo units.
     
  4. Nov 2, 2008 #3644 of 6277
    lafos

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    In Dayton, Ohio, all digital channels, except the local HD channels, are flagged CCI'02, or copy once. None can be transferred by MRV or TiVo desktop
     
  5. Nov 3, 2008 #3645 of 6277
    jmfirestone

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  6. Nov 3, 2008 #3646 of 6277
    Eccles

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    I have it on good authority that once you get a Tuning Adapter and start receiving the digital streams instead of the analog versions, then you'll find pretty much everything is copy protected.
     
  7. Nov 3, 2008 #3647 of 6277
    lafos

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    Huh? Right now, channels below 99 are analog, at least on my system. Are you saying that the Tuning Adapter will change that, or just the digital channels? If the latter, then TWC Dayton is already all copy protected, so the TA won't change anything.
     
  8. Nov 3, 2008 #3648 of 6277
    Eccles

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    Not sure how they have it set up in Ohio, but here in Austin most of the sub-100 analog channels are simulcast in digital on a higher channel number.

    Time-Warner's own set-top boxes are aware of these channel pairings and automatically tune the digital signal "under the covers" even if you select the analog channel. Conversely, without a TA, CC-enabled TiVos tune the analog channels "under the covers" even if you select the high-numbered channel.

    You can confirm both of these behaviors by looking at the diagnostics on the TiVo or STB - you'll see that the STB tunes a QAM signal regardless of whether you select the high or low channel, and the TiVo does not.

    However, I understand that once you add a TA, the TiVo will behave the same way as the TW STB and tune the digital stream.

    Again, that's in the Austin market - can't say if it'll work the same elsewhere.
     
  9. Nov 3, 2008 #3649 of 6277
    Gloftoe

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    I was under the impression that only channels like HBO, Showtime, etc were supposed to have the 0x02 byte attached to them. Is this true, and do you or anyone else "in the know" think we can get TW Austin to change that?
     
  10. Nov 3, 2008 #3650 of 6277
    Combat Medic

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    Nope, only HBO et al can use 0x03.
     
  11. Nov 3, 2008 #3651 of 6277
    Eccles

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    I'm not an insider, so I do not speak from any position of authority or first-hand knowledge, but it is my understanding that the inverse is true - that the producer or carrier is at liberty to put any restriction they like on anything except retransmitted free-to-air content, i.e. network TV.
     
  12. Nov 4, 2008 #3652 of 6277
    drumorgan

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    Here in the Valley as well, and out of the Topanga Canyon office. You and I must be having the same issue. Over the last few weeks, the channels have been out more than in. and the number of them seems to be increasing. I've had a tech out about five times and he is telling me that Time Warner is not supporting the cards and in fact, after the first of the year, they won't work at all. His solution is that Time Warner will offer a free DVR to Tivo customers. That is just not acceptable.

    If we switch to a satellite service, can we still use the HD Tivo?
     
  13. Nov 4, 2008 #3653 of 6277
    Fofer

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    No.
     
  14. Nov 4, 2008 #3654 of 6277
    Eccles

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    You can still use it to record from an antenna, or to stop papers blowing off your desk. :)
     
  15. Nov 4, 2008 #3655 of 6277
    dolfer

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    TW Cincinnati is adding new HD channels to its lineup on November 19th. Does anyone know if these are SDV? Or will we be able to pick them up? As far as I know, TW Cincy has no tuning resolver ready.

    * ABC Family Ch 986

    * CNN Ch 991

    * Disney Ch 987

    * Discovery Ch 984

    * ESPNU Ch 992

    * Fox News Ch 990

    * Hallmark Movie Ch 998

    * MTV's Palladi Ch 993

    * The Learning Channel Ch 985

    * Oxford's WPTO-TV (Channel 14), Ch 924

    Time Warner also will add the WPTO-DT multicast stations on Channels 925, 926, 927 and 928. And in December four more channels:

    * The Weather Channel

    * Animal Planet

    * ESPNEWS

    * The Science Channel
     
  16. Nov 4, 2008 #3656 of 6277
    DallasFlier

    DallasFlier HONESTY is nice...

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    Your tech is completely uninformed. By FCC regulation, Time Warner MUST support the cards, to quit supporting them would be illegal. Call TiVo customer service if you have to, they'll speak to Time Warner if you're being told that cablecards are not being supported.
     
  17. Nov 4, 2008 #3657 of 6277
    drumorgan

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    He is here right now doing something. The guy is very nice, and has come back every couple of days to see how to fix this.

    But, I read him your post and he says there is some dispute over what they HAVE to support. He says, they have to support the customer, but are not under obligation to support the TIVO format.

    Of course, he is just a tech, and you are hearing this through the filter of my typing, so it can't be considered primary research.

    I'll let you know what he says when he leaves.
     
  18. Nov 4, 2008 #3658 of 6277
    jmfirestone

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    The cablecards are not only for TiVos, they are for TVs that can use Cablecards as well.
     
  19. Nov 4, 2008 #3659 of 6277
    BruceShultes

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    There is no such thing as Tivo format. The tivo uses QAM format to tune cable channels, which is the same format used by the cable boxes.

    It also uses the SD and digital formats for OTA channels. I don't remember the exact abbreviations for those formats, but they are the same ones used by a SD TV tuner and a digital TV tuner.

    The only format used by cable that the Tivo S3 or HD do not recognize is SDV. So the only way you will lose all channels from your cable company is if they make them all SDV.

    They would be crazy to do that.
     
  20. Nov 4, 2008 #3660 of 6277
    drumorgan

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    He had to leave, but will be back. But, he said that SDV is not on any channels right now. (that should roll out on the first of the year)

    But, we are missing channels, seemingly randomly, and at different times. If it is not an SDV issue, any idea why I (and at least one other poster here) are missing channels from Time Warner?

    The only thing I have noticed consistently is that I am never missing any of the 400-499 channels, the ones in HD.
     

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