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Offical CableCARD threads

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by Dan203, Sep 21, 2006.

  1. Oct 5, 2006 #21 of 250
    Dan203

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    There is no such thing as a "two way area". There is a technology called Switched Digital Video which is not compatible with CableCARDs, but right now the only company using it is Time Warner and they only use it on a couple of lesser watched channels and the oposite coast feeds of premium channels like HBO.

    This was definitely a bluff to try to scare you away from CableCARD.

    Dan
     
  2. Oct 6, 2006 #22 of 250
    sCir

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    I don't see a thread for Bresnan Communications - Could you add one?
     
  3. Oct 7, 2006 #23 of 250
    gwtamblin

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    Thanks Dan ~ The person I first talked to said with the "one way card" I wouldn't be able to watch video on demand or pay per view. That didn't bother me since I have netflix and never used it. Is that true what he said? Gary
     
  4. Oct 9, 2006 #24 of 250
    ccongdon

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    Speaking of bluffs - and maybe someone can help clear the air for me.

    I have Insight Communications. They say that CableCARDS are available in my area. The operator said that they can't be used to record anything (obviously trying to push me into their DVR). I mentioned that the Tivo was a recorder by itself and just needed CableCARDS to work. She put me on hold to ask her supervisor a question. She came back and said that recording can't occur while using CableCARDS.

    Is that possible? I thought the whole way Tivo worked was by recording whatever signal came through....

    Chris
     
  5. Oct 9, 2006 #25 of 250
    Dan203

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    That is true! VOD and PPV require bidirectional communication technology which does not exist as an open standard yet. The cable companies are working on a CableCARD 2.0 technology that will enable those technologies, but it's not yet approved and probably still a year or more away from deployment.

    Dan
     
  6. Oct 9, 2006 #26 of 250
    Dan203

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    She's just misinformed. Up until now CableCARDs were used primarily in TVs, so she just doesn't understand the way TiVo uses them to record. Your best bet is to just order the cards and give them as little information about what you'll be doing with them as possible.

    Dan
     
  7. Oct 10, 2006 #27 of 250
    MichaelK

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    scarily the CSR may have been correct (although it is questionable if that is legal)- seems some cable providers have all the HD channels to 90minute hold time only and then the recorded programs self destuct. My provider for instance is doing it on about 2/3rds of the non boradcast HD channels and even screws up and nails sporadic programs on the broadcast channels with the wrong flag.

    BTW- anyone have a link to the legality of this. I'm 99.9% sure it's illegal but before i go screamign at the cable people I want to have the law/regulation/ruling in my hand to show them so they quickly remedy the situation adn dont jerk me around. I believe they are only premitted to use the 90minute self descruct flag for VOD and PPV- but i cant find a ruling or regulation (or even the text of the NCTA/CEA plug and play agreement where it seems to have started from) to point to.
     
  8. Oct 10, 2006 #28 of 250
    gwtamblin

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    I just talked with a supervisor at Starstream. His story is that the cable cards are not working with their system and until they figure it out they are not providing the cards.
     
  9. Oct 10, 2006 #29 of 250
    Dan203

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    The 90 minute Copy Never flag is only legal for use on VOB and PPV. Premium channels like HBO can be set to Copy Once, which means that they can be recorded on the TiVo but not transfered, but they're not supose to be set to Copy Never. And broadcast programming is supose to be set to Copy Freely at all times.

    If you're having a problem with this then either your cable company has something set up wrong or you have a defective CableCARD. In either case this problem would not be a problem on a CableCARD TV, so this goes to prove my point that cable companies are still in the mentality that CableCARDs go in TVs and nothing else.

    Dan
     
  10. Oct 10, 2006 #30 of 250
    Dan203

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    That sucks. Unfortunately if the provider is small enough it's possible for them to get an exemption from the CableCARD mandate, so there is probably nothing you can do. However it might be worth a call to the local franchise authority just to see.

    Dan
     
  11. Oct 10, 2006 #31 of 250
    MichaelK

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    yup- DT_DC was kind enough to aim me to the regulation in question that says exactly what you posted here. Now I have some amunition to beat my cable compnay with.

    I dont think there is anysuch thing as bad cablecard that would just on it's own reandomly set those flags wrong. But it's just my opinion. It's just taking like 8 bits out of the stream- what are the odds that a card is screwing up the same 8-bits over and over again yet works fine for everythign else?

    In my case though i'm sure it's the provider as others have posted the same problem on the same channels so I dont think it's a technical issue- rather I would bet someone set a bad parameter someplace.
     
  12. Oct 10, 2006 #32 of 250
    want_series3

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    where i live the only option for television is through directv, i was getting ready to purchase the series3 when i realized it does not support directv. i just want to make sure i try everything possible before i give in and don't get the series3. so my question is, does anyone know of any way i can get the series3 and while having directv?? does directv make a "cablecard" that would support this??
     
  13. Oct 10, 2006 #33 of 250
    Dan203

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    No the Series3 will NOT work with DirecTV. Not only does DirecTV not offer CableCARD but they use a completely different tuner technology then cable. So it's actually impossible for any company to make a box which is compatible with both DirecTV and digital cable. (with the exception of devices like the S2 units which take an analog signal from any source and reencodes it to digital format)

    Dan
     
  14. Oct 17, 2006 #34 of 250
    moonjockey

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    Forget BellSouth cable (Americast) they told me they have a waiver from the FCC.
     
  15. Oct 18, 2006 #35 of 250
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  16. Oct 20, 2006 #36 of 250
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    Aloha,
    I was about to buy my series 3 after having tivo since 2000 was excited to go HD. when asked about pricing, my local TIME WARNER sent me this:

    Exchange with Time Warner

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    Here is the email message string this afternoon with TW. Go figure.

    Aloha!


    1. as I stated previously, the Duplicate service charge does not include
    the HD Entertainment Package. The Duplicate service charge only includes
    the equipment rental fee, digital cable service, and any premium movie
    channels in your subscription. Each device that is receiving the HD
    Entertainment Package is billed for that package.


    2. Yes, we are aware of the current limitations of the technology. You
    can install a single CableCard in your Tivo and only record one channel
    at a time.


    3. The CableCards are billed for each device, each CableCard is a
    separate device. You could obtain the HD DVR without the duplicate
    service charge, however you would still be billed for the HD
    Entertainment package which is required to have any HD cable box.


    You could also rent the CableCards for $3.10 each, however they would
    only be able to receive the Standard Cable Service. They would not
    receive the authorization to receive the HD Entertainment Package, the
    Digital Cable Package, nor the HBO or Showtime.


    4. Because that is how the company decided to do the billing.


    5. Everything is NOT going HD. That is a common misconception. HD and
    Digital are two very different things. The FCC is only requiring a
    change to Digital, not HD.


    6. I am sorry, but it does not appear the same from our point of view.
    We bill per device that receives premium programming in the home. If you
    TiVo requires 2 of those devices then the account should be charged for
    each one.




    If you have any further questions, please feel free to e-mail us again
    or contact our Customer Care Department at the appropriate number below.
    When replying to this e-mail, please include this message as well as all
    previous correspondence regarding this issue.


    Cable TV or Internet:
    Billing: 643-2100
    Sales: 643-2337
    Repair: 643-2300


    Digital Phones:
    Billing: 643-3333
    Sales: 643-3663
    Repair: 611 from your digital phone or 643-6611


    Thank you,
    Nick S.
    Oceanic Time Warner Cable


    ----- So, to sum it up: to use a Tivo S3 in Hawaii it will cost us $36.10 extra a month....PLUS Tivo monthly fee.

    Any advice?
     
  17. Oct 23, 2006 #37 of 250
    gwtamblin

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    I finally got a good answer from the cable company regarding CableCards:

    Thank you for your email regarding cable cards. We apologize for any inconvenience and confusion you have encountered when calling our customer service department. Starstream is currently in the testing phases of cable card deployment. Currently cable cards currently are only a one-way service, meaning that VOD, PPV and advanced services will not work with them. PPV is available by calling our automated PPV system. Cable cards also do not provide any type of program guide like digital converters do. We have encountered several issues within the testing phases of these cards regarding device compatibilities, etc. which has delayed widespread deployment of them. Starstream is currently working with our hardware vendors to resolve such technical issues. Once testing has been successful with cable cards within the Starstream system, we can contact you to arrange for an installation. As of this time, there is no ETA of when testing will be completed. Starstream does however offer HD DVD cable boxes that do have dual tuners for recording multiple shows. This eliminates the need for extra equipment, along with the need for a phone line to download Tivo program information. Please contact our customer support department at 916-630-7111 if you are interested in a HD DVR box.



    Thank You,

    Starstream Communications
     
  18. Oct 24, 2006 #38 of 250
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    Dan Clarke

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  20. Oct 25, 2006 #40 of 250
    mercurial

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    Well, at an average of $2.00/month/card plus ~$40 for installation, you'd have to keep them a little over 2 years to break even with the rest of us.. :D Not as bad as it appears on first glance.
     

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