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NowPlaying + Play (send keys)

Discussion in 'TiVo Series 1 - UK' started by alan_m_2004, Mar 6, 2007.

  1. Mar 6, 2007 #1 of 36
    alan_m_2004

    alan_m_2004 New Member

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    Hi all,

    I vaguely remember a discussion about having a link in the (tivoweb) nowplaying list that would trigger playing the recording on tivo, presumably via sendkeys. I think I even contributed to the discussion but can't find it now :(

    Does anyone have any pointers to this thread or a nowplaying list with 'play' enabled?

    Note - I do not want to stream the recording, I want it to play on the tv.

    Thanks in advance,

    Alan.
     
  2. Mar 6, 2007 #2 of 36
    Pete77

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    The http://tivo.lightn.org/ official support page for TivoWeb shows a Now Playing module just over half way down the page that there is a link to and that is supposed to let you play items in Now Playing directly from TivoWeb.

    However I installed it and couldn't get it to work.

    I don't know if this is because it doesn't support our UK Tivo 2.5.5 software and expects V3 of the Tivo software or even higher.

    I tried emailing the American author Anthony Minessale but got no reply.

    If you understand TCL script you might want to investigate the content of the module and see why it doesn't appear to want to work with TivoWeb 1.9.4 and our UK Tivo S1 PVR10UK Tivos. No one ever seems to have mentioned this module or trying to get it working in the Tivo UK section of the forum.
     
  3. Mar 7, 2007 #3 of 36
    mikerr

    mikerr TiVoCentral.co.uk

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    Well the script was written nearly 5 years ago in 2002 - he may have moved jobs etc by now :)

    I just altered a few lines to get it to work on UK Tivos (see attached).

    [edit] see post #25 here for an upgraded version with keyword searching & sorting (but without the batchplay)
     

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  4. Mar 7, 2007 #4 of 36
    Pete77

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    Good work on getting it to function on a UK S1 Tivo.

    However I have around 600 recordings here, which is approximately 90 pages of recordings with 7 recordings per page in Now Playing. So you at least need to allow for 100 screens. In theory a 1000Gb Tivo (2 x 500Gb) could have 200 screens of programs at 7 programs per page, although anyone with that much capacity would probably record everything in Best or Mode 0 as the Now Playing menu slow down with 600 recordings is already quite bad.

    Any chance you can rework this for at least 100 screens or even 200 screens? My Tivo does ususally remember all the keys sent to it, even though it may take quite a while to act on them.
     
  5. Mar 7, 2007 #5 of 36
    mikerr

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    [edit] no limits anymore ;)
     
  6. Mar 7, 2007 #6 of 36
    Pete77

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    Is your revised version now the one in your zip file a couple of posts above?

    If we can get this working properly I can see it being worth adding to the Wikipedia list of TivoWeb modules and it being very popular with TivoWeb users with larger hard drives and a lot of recordings. The thing is the more recordings you have in Now Playing, the more useful this play from TivoWeb option is although the longer it takes to operate......................

    What exactly did you have to change from the original version to get it to work on our UK PVR10UK Tivos?
     
  7. Mar 7, 2007 #7 of 36
    Pete77

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    Good news mike as this basically works on my Tivo and keeps playing the correct recording each time. I felt sure it wouldn't do because Autospace suddenly cut in and was doing its thing with getting the top of screen graphic up but as the Tivo IR buffer remembers all the IR input it has received it still ended up playing the correct program. Some I tried playing were a couple of hundred recordings back and it worked! :) :up: :up: :up:

    The only snag was that it didn't show me my whole Now Playing list but only around 290 items of the 600 or so programs and at the top of the Now Playing screen before the program list it showed this Internal Server Error.

    Did you post your revised version of the itcl that can handle up to 100 pages of programs yet? Or was this it and it still had a problem for some reason. I only downloaded your zip file a few minutes ago so it would have included your revisions if you had posted them yet?

    Also the list of programs is basically in date order going backwards (ie conventional Now Playing order from the Tivo itself) but in American date format with MM/DD rather than DD/MM Its basically listing stuff from now back to last August in my case, but I actually have stuff back all the way to 2003 on there, being sad enough to have hung on to programs I especially like. And yes i know I am supposed to archive them to DVD with Ty ThingAMeBob.

    Do you know what the TAG box column with 1 in it against each item is about or ditto the tick box next to that? I just clicked the play hyperlink to get each program I wanted to see playing.

    For those of us with huge hard drives and loads of programs on them this is a really big improvement in functionality if we can get it to work fully. What did you have to do to the original module written for US S1 Tivos to get it working properly on our Tivos?
     
  8. Mar 7, 2007 #8 of 36
    alan_m_2004

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    Thanks MikeErr - you beat me to the punch as I was about half way through updating the old script for my config. I'll try it tomorrow and report back.
     
  9. Mar 7, 2007 #9 of 36
    Pete77

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    Calling it "Play from Tivoweb" as a module name rather than Now Playing or Now Showing would be an improvement as I already have Ljay's Now Playing with Sort module installed.

    And being able to sort the programs alphabetically rather than only in date order going backwards would be a further big improvement, if of course that's not a huge amount of additional work (which it very probably is).

    It seems strange nobody has spotted this old module or tried to do anything with it up to now. Of course you do need to have a big hard drive with lots of recordings like I do for it to become especially useful. ;) :)
     
  10. Pete77

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    I got away with changing the item name displayed in TivoWeb and the description by changing the bottom line of the ITCL (about the only part of it that's not all Greek to me). This worked and I got Tivoweb Play to appear along with Now Playing Direct from TivoWeb in the TivoWeb menu.

    But when I changed the name of the itcl itself as well as changing the reference to the itcl in the bottom line of the itcl file (to make it appear in alphabetical order in TivoWeb) I got:-

    Another of those amusing little HitchHikers Guide to the Galaxy style error messages that the Tivoweb creators so favoured and that I have met before.............
     
  11. TCM2007

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    There are means of programmatically getting what screen the TiVo is on and what item is selected, but unfortunately there's a bug in the TiVo software in 2.5.5 which you have to patch before it will work.
     
  12. Pete77

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    Setting us a puzzle I see TCM. Perhaps you can elucidate as to what the bug in the 2.5.5 software that needs to be overcome actually is?

    However the more crude method of going through Now Playing screen by screen does seem to work 100% reliably. The only limitation at present is waiting while it does this. I don't mind that - what I hated was having to press page down 50 times myself and then usually over shooting. Also having to go back to the top of the list afterwards manually with numerous button presses.
     
  13. TCM2007

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    No puzzle, you're just way off needing that level of detail. Search for "mwstate bug" if you really want to know.
     
  14. Pete77

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    And patching the Tivo software is, in any case, no doubt something we should only really be discussing in the Database of Deals? ;)
     
  15. TCM2007

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    No, you can discuss it here. Many have.
     
  16. Pete77

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    So its only video extraction talk that must be discussed in The Other Place. Plus of course anything that might involve trying to obtain Tivo service without actually paying for it. Not of course that I would condone anybody trying to engage in the latter practice.
     
  17. TCM2007

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    Thay won't condone stealing TiVo service in DD either.
     
  18. Pete77

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    No obviously not, although where it gets interesting is if someone wanted to legitimately run a Tivo S3 in the UK and Tivo is refusing to provide an EPG service that the customer is perfectly willing to pay for.............

    I wonder how much work does need to be done on Tribune's S1 Tivo database in order to let it adequately support a Tivo S3?
     
  19. TCM2007

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    I doubt there are sigbnificant changes oin the guide data - after all the US data goes out to S1 units too.
     
  20. mikerr

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    Yes, mine is actually patched for the mwstate bug, in order to use your (excellent) now-playing sync accross tivos. Most people aren't going to patch their tivos for a tivoweb module though.

    Well I can see a use for that for myself, together with a first few letter search - so it might get done.

    Current version no longer has any limit (apart from memory). You have this version if you hover over the play link and the browser status bar says something other than "chanup:100"

    The tick box is to play each recording in sequence, and the number that appears in the tag box is the playback order in the queue (it makes a script).

    To play one recording instantly, just press the play button as you guessed.
     

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