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Now the ads are p***ing me off

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by james.92, Dec 4, 2007.

  1. Dec 9, 2007 #61 of 384
    ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    yes, and the monthly sub price is not a big help either, but we are talking ads specifically at the moment...

    So are you saying that if TiVo dropped the ads we would see a significant rise in the number of subscriptions?
     
  2. Dec 9, 2007 #62 of 384
    MannyE

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    Oh my god! If Tivo is going to survive, it's going to be the research (Neilsen is calm ...for now even though they started rolling out "people meters" shortly after the advent of Tivo) and the alternative advertising models that are being created because of the widespread use of... what? (all together now) D V R ssss!

    I look forward to the day when we either have totally free entertainment or that it can get sponsored and paid for by unobtrusive "stealth advertising"
     
  3. Dec 9, 2007 #63 of 384
    SeattleBrad

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    It does seem strange that you are seeing ads even though you are paying for the service. However, newspapers and magazines also get money both from subscribers and advertisers. It looks like it's the only way to be profitable and stay in business.
     
  4. Dec 9, 2007 #64 of 384
    ThreeSoFar

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    Obviously, out of principle, you'll have to cancel your subscription.

    Go ahead and do it. I dare you.
     
  5. Dec 9, 2007 #65 of 384
    Lensman

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    What do people think about *more* options at the end of shows? I find myself slightly annoyed that if I'm watching a show for the first time - say as a Suggestion, I can't both delete it and go to get a season pass or swivel search or something from the end. This would be solved by having those options from the "delete at end" menu.
     
  6. Dec 9, 2007 #66 of 384
    ZeoTiVo

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    uummm - at the end of the show hit left arrow, select more options, do your thing - left arrow out of where ever you went and then delete the show.
    Already there and easy to use.
     
  7. Dec 9, 2007 #67 of 384
    Lensman

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    This is what I do now, I think we just disagree about whether it's easy to use.

    For swivel search, the sequence is:
    left arrow to navigate back
    down arrow four times to get to more options
    right arrow to select more options
    up arrow three times to get to swivel search
    right arrow to select swivel search
    <do my swivel search thing>
    left arrow to navigate back to more options
    left arrow to navigate back to the show
    up arrow twice to get to delete
    select to delete

    But my main problem is that in I actually want to delete the show, I just want to do some things first before I delete it. I think it creates some kind of task tension that if I want to add a season pass before I delete a show that I've just watched, I have to say: "no, i don't want to delete the show", do my thing, and then later say "delete this show". I understand that some may consider this "nit-picking", but I consider it user-centered design. Now I may be the only one who would consider this somehow desirable, and if so then they shouldn't do this.

    I agree with the poster earlier in the thread who said that the screen for delete/keep the show is a unique point in the tv watching user experience. I could even see additional options here if/when Tivo ever adds support for two people watching the a show and marking it for deletion. That would elevate Tivo to the level of Lexus with their adjustment of mirrors and seat based on which remote was used to unlock the car. :)
     
  8. Dec 10, 2007 #68 of 384
    ZeoTiVo

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    having an option that does two things - delete this show AND bring up more options for this show - while a remote button timesaver - does not fit the simplistic menu design of TiVo. You, and I, could make good use of the option but it is just easier to follow to keep the show and do the more options, then delete it. There are many places I would love to tech/geek up the TiVo menus and have even talked about an advanced user option under setup to turn on these more advanced menus to get to the LEXUS level. So I am with you in principle but the simple interface approach really calls for a simple Keep or Delete at the end of the show
     
  9. Dec 10, 2007 #69 of 384
    MaryT

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    What ads? I'm not forced to watch any ad at any time.

    I've had a Tivo since 2000 and there were always some sort of line items on the main screens.

    I even actively play the ads so Tivo gets revenue.

    In the end, how many people would prefer not to have Tivo at all? I can't even remember TV without it.

    I really don't get what all the huffing & puffing about this line items is about.
     
  10. Dec 10, 2007 #70 of 384
    Atomike

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    You're confusing the terms "Television Ads" with "Ads". You are not forced to watch any video 30-frames-per-second ads - that's true. But there are text ads for cars and such. Look at the text next to the star on your Tivo. If a billboard had the same message about Lexus, etc. would you not call that an ad?

    The only real difference is that people don't pay a monthly fee to the billboard company.
     
  11. Dec 10, 2007 #71 of 384
    nirisahn

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    This is not specifically in response to SeattleBrad, but building on what he said.

    You pay for cable TV channels, too and they have just as many ads as OTA stations. The question is, how much do you want to pay (directly) for what you view and what services you use. Would you rather pay more directly to the service provider for the convenience of not having ads, or pay less directly to the service provider and pay the rest in the cost of the items you buy (as advertising costs make up a part of product cost)? You pay either way. And where you may not buy the items specifically being advertised, everybody buys stuff, and almost everything we buy is advertised somehow, somewhere, so it all evens out in the wash.

    It's no different than most ISP's. You pay a fortune for service from an ISP, and their home page is riddled with advertising that's way more obtrusive than the ads TiVo carries. Those ads flash and move constantly. I don't know if they make noise because I generally have the sound muted on my computer, but if they do, that's even worse. I'd rather have TiVo the way it is now than have to pay even more for it because they're not bringing in advertising revenue.
     
  12. Dec 10, 2007 #72 of 384
    ZeoTiVo

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    No she was not. She said she was not forced to click on the Star line items and be forced to actually watch the ad and this is the lijne for many - some text on A menu and maybe a picture with the text is just not that big a deal to most people.

    She did however choose to watch the ads to help TiVo genertae some ad revenue. TiVo staying in business and indeed perhaps even getting profitable so they have more resources to offer better products and better deals is a big deal to most people.
     
  13. Dec 10, 2007 #73 of 384
    Langree

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    I saw a line item for 1968 on History International and watched the promo for it, and subsequently watched the show. I wouldn't have known it was airing w/o the 'ad'.

    I pick which ones I click on, they don't bug me at all.
     
  14. Dec 10, 2007 #74 of 384
    Atomike

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    Oh brother.
    Maybe so, maybe not. That has little relevance to whether or not it's an ad. Anything designed to get you to do something is an ad. A billboard with "Coke" is an ad. So is a billboard with "www.coke.com". The second is a better example because that's an ad for an ad. Regardless, they're both ads, just like the text on my Tivo menu - it's designed to get me to do something.

    Man, with you it's like watching a bird flying into a glass window - over, and over and over. A little humorous, but mostly sad.
     
  15. Dec 10, 2007 #75 of 384
    ThreeSoFar

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    Well, I think maybe you do.

    You see that it's much ado about nothing.

    See, that's what it's about: NOTHING. And complaining about nothing. Which might be called complaining for complaining's sake.

    ANd is entirely useless.

    Though for sure, if it upsets you that much STOP POSTING here and CALL TIVO AND CANCEL.
     
  16. Dec 10, 2007 #76 of 384
    Lensman

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    Actually, all I want is for that end-of-show menu to have either three or four things on it:
    1. delete
    2. keep
    3. more options

    OR

    1. delete
    2. keep
    3. (i liked this show) get season pass (if this show is a series and if I don't have a season pass for this show)
    4. (i liked this show and want to find more like it) swivel search (probably only if I don't have a season pass as well, and maybe only if this *isn't* a series)
    5. (i liked this show, show me what other people who liked this show recommend)
    6. (I liked this show, show me what other shows advertisers are willing to pay money to have me consider at this time)

    Again, though, I see this as possibly just being something that may only make sense to me and not to how other people's brains are wired.
     
  17. Dec 10, 2007 #77 of 384
    smak

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    When you signed up for the service, what specifically did you read that made you think you wouldn't see ads like this?

    -smak-
     
  18. Dec 10, 2007 #78 of 384
    ZeoTiVo

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    actually I am just the guy cleaning the glass so things can be seen clearly and you are the guy that keeps smudging it up with things like somehow arguing they are called ads when no said they are not called ads
     
  19. Dec 15, 2007 #79 of 384
    JaneiR36

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    I would prefer it if the ads weren't there. TiVo's promise was "no ads", and now they've got you where they want you, and advertise to you, anyway. I'm rather frustrated that our subscription fees are not enough to keep this business afloat. Where else are you concerned not only about the goods and services you are getting from a company, but rather that their business is successful? If it were a Charity, maybe, but a for profitable business, this just seems odd. I feel like I'm doing someone else's job, whereas I thought I was just paying to sit back and enjoy a service.

    I do use the left arrow after a show now so I do not see the third ad option. I also use the TiVo button a whole lot less. I hate the way it starts out with four lines and then the three extra lines show up, including the ad. At first, I thought if I clicked it, it would go away, but new ones just kept coming up. Ugh.

    Will I cancel my service? No. Do I feel like I'm getting less value than before these started showing up for the same cost? Absolutely.
     
  20. Dec 15, 2007 #80 of 384
    Langree

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    When?
     

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